West Coast Conference Media Day Recap and Response

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WEST COAST MEDIA DAY PRESEASON POLL:

  1. Gonzaga
  2. BYU
  3. Saint Mary’s
  4. LMU
  5. San Francisco
  6. Santa Clara
  7. Pepperdine
  8. Pacific
  9. San Diego
  10. Portland

 

WEST COAST MEDIA DAY PRESEASON ALL CONFERENCE TEAM:

-Alex Barcello – SR,G -BYU
-Jamaree Bouyea – SR,G – San Francisco
-Logan Johnson – SR, G – Saint Mary’s
-Caleb Lohner – SO, F – BYU
-Andrew Nembhard – SR, G – Gonzaga
-Eli Scott – SR, G/F – LMU
-Khalil Shabazz – SR, G – San Francisco
-Drew Timme – JR, F – Gonzaga
-Josip Vrankic – SR, F – Santa Clara
-Jalen Williams – JR, G – Santa Clara

 

COMMENTS FROM DAVID:

-Gonzaga has had five straight 30+ win seasons.  I’m not sure if that has ever been done before in the history of college basketball.  To be fair, the UCLA teams in the 1960s/1970s played fewer games and most likely would have done it, but that is a hell of a run.  They’ve also been the national runner-up twice during that run.  So, the fact that they are beginning this season ranked #1 shouldn’t be a surprise.  They could hold on to that ranking for quite a while.  They are once again a solid Final Four/national title contender.  They did lose some key players but appeared to have just reloaded on talent.  It is very likely that they will once again just run away from the rest of the conference.

-BYU will be moving on to the Big 12 after this season.  As for this season, they are coming off an NCAA Tournament appearance from a year ago and despite losing three starters I like their chances to get back there this year.  Two of their top three scorers are back and they appear to have some guys who are ready to step in to bigger roles.

-We are used to seeing Saint Mary’s near the top of the standings and inside the NCAA Tournament bubble, but they had a bit of a down year last year and are looking to bounce back.  All five starters are back so the experience should help them out.  They also have some key players back that they lost to injury last season so expect to see quite a bit of improvement out of the Gaels.

-After four straight 20+ win seasons, San Francisco took a step back last season winning just 11 games overall and finishing just 4-9 in WCC play.  They do have some experience back but they’ll need to show substantial improvement if they want to get back in the top half of the standings and contend for a postseason bid.  Now having said that, it wouldn’t shock me at all if they were able to make huge improvements.  Truth be told I’m a little surprised that they’re not getting more preseason love.  They appear to have a very strong backcourt and a good enough frontcourt to where they can make quite a bit of noise this year.

-LMU is another team with all five starters back.  They had a nice season last year where they finished third and were looking pretty good at the end of the season.  This is a program that appears to be heading in the right direction and could take another big step forward this year.

-I seem to pick Santa Clara as a dark horse every year, and while I think they do have potential they haven’t ever come through the way that I thought they would.  They have three double-digit scoring starters back and some key transfers, as well as some guys who can step into bigger roles.  They have all the ingredients of being a dark horse again this year!!  I guess I haven’t learned my lesson because I’m going to once again pick them as a dark horse.

-Pepperdine was a very respectable 7-6 in the league last year and with three starters back they shouldn’t be completely dismissed or overlooked.  They also add some key transfers which should help them out.

-Pacific is coming off a 9-9 season, but they did win three of their last four heading into the conference tournament and with three starters back they may be able to continue that momentum into this season.  They have a fairly solid backcourt and will look to get some help from some transfer players.

-Portland and San Diego are bringing up the rear.  Portland didn’t win a single game last year and with all five starters gone get the chance to kind of reboot.  San Diego returns three starters from a team that won just two conference games a year ago, one of which was against…Portland.

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Puppet Ramblings: A Statement Regarding Next Month’s NCAA Special Convention

If the Power Five creates their own division within the NCAA, or leaves the NCAA entirely, I seriously doubt I’ll even care about college basketball anymore.

That’s not a threat.  I wish it were, but the reality is I’m not in a position of any real power or influence, so I couldn’t make it a threat even if I wanted to.  It’s just a statement as to what my feelings are.  I just won’t care anymore.  I probably won’t watch it nearly as often, and I probably won’t be interested in doing all that much with Hoops HD anymore.  I suspect that I am far from the only person that feels this way.  I believe that millions of other people (maybe even tens of millions) feel the same way.  But, I don’t know that for a fact.  I only know how I feel about it, and that’s pretty much how I feel.

To bring you up to speed, the NCAA released a statement today, which was really just bunch of words that said nothing more than that they had met and they had a plan.  Geez, THAT’S GREAT!!!  (CLICK HERE TO READ THE STATEMENT).  What we know at this point is that a new “Transformation Committee” has been created, and that there is a Special Convention next month, and that the topic at hand is possibly creating a new division within the NCAA.  That’s really all we know.  What we don’t know for certain, but that may be of high concern, is that the changes being discussed will consist of the Power Five/Autonomy Five (ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12) becoming their own division, and threatening to leave the NCAA altogether if that doesn’t happen.

We’ve heard these rumblings for close to 30 years now, and perhaps even longer than that.  We’ve heard them for so long that it has become very easy to ignore them.  It’s a fire alarm in a college dorm.  It always goes off, but the building is never on fire, so you just start ignoring it.  I don’t think we should ignore it this time.  The building may actually be on fire.  The moans and groans from the P5 as to how unhappy they are with the NCAA seem to have grown in both size and sound.  It’s now louder, and bigger, and coming from more people.  In some cases, I can kind of understand the gripes.  They don’t feel that some of the NCAA rules, and policies, and governance that has been put in place for low performing Under the Radar schools is in the best interests of the P5 schools and they don’t want to be bound by it.  But my response to that is that they already have a great deal of autonomy, so I don’t quite understand why they would need to form their own division to get the governance that they want.

Another, perhaps bigger, issue is the revenue sharing.  They feel they should get more of it.  Okay, I can understand that.  That’s only natural.  But, my response to this is that they already get more of it.  A LOT more of it!!  So one of the questions I have for them is how much more they think they can actually get by creating their own division and/or leaving the NCAA altogether??  And…from where would more money come from??

Do they think it will come from TV??  Every conference has its own independent media deal.  The Big Ten, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC even have their own networks.  Their membership with the NCAA does not require them to share any of that.  So, how would leaving the NCAA result in them getting any more money from TV??

Do they think it will come from football??  The College Football Playoff (CFP) does share revenue with all ten conferences (meaning both the P5 and the G5), but the lions share of it goes to the P5, and the access to the playoff itself is so slanted toward the P5 that it practically an exclusively a P5 event.  It TECHNICALLY isn’t, but it PRACTICALLY is.  No non-P5 team has ever been selected for the CFP, and while Cincinnati may be selected this year, they will also become a P5 program next year.  The NCAA has no control at all over the CFP.  It is not an NCAA Championship Event.  No NCAA trophy is awarded.  There is no required shared revenue throughout the NCAA membership.  So with that in mind, when it comes to FBS football, the P5 has practically pretty much already left the NCAA.  They have their own championship that is pretty much exclusively for their own teams and while not all the revenue goes to them, it might as well because the share that the G5 gets is so much less.

And now for the big question…Do they think it will come from having their own basketball tournament??  If that’s what they think, then I STRONGLY believe they are wrong!  It is my understanding that the current NCAA Tournament basically generates $1.1 billion a year in revenue just from the TV deal with CBS/Turner.  And yes, unlike football, that revenue is shared throughout the entire NCAA D1 membership, and it also goes to fund other championships for other sports throughout all three NCAA divisions.  If the P5 is looking at that and thinking “Why do we have to share that $1.1 billion with the rest of the NCAA??  Why can’t we keep that all for ourselves??” then I think they are hugely underestimating the appeal that the non-p5 teams have on the NCAA Tournament.  People like to watch the good teams from the Under the Radar conferences play against the P5 caliber teams in the early rounds.  They’d much rather watch Abilene Christian, or North Texas, or New Mexico State, or Loyola Chicago, or any number of good Under the Radar teams play against good P5 teams than watch bad P5 teams with .300 records play against good P5 teams.  We get games like that all season long, and they are objectively not compelling to watch.

If the P5 formed their own division and staged their own tournament with just the 69 teams that are members of those conferences, I’m not saying there wouldn’t be any interest in it at all.  But,I do not think there’d be an annual $1.1 billion dollars worth of interest in it.  Not even close.  And that tournament would not feel at all like what the NCAA Tournament currently feels like to the fans.  Not even close.  And, yeah while there may be way less money than the over a billion it makes now, I get that they’d only be splitting it 69 ways instead of 358 ways, but here’s the thing…not all 358 schools get the same amount under the current structure.  It’s the total number of games that the members of a conference play that determines the payouts.  If your conference has a lot of teams qualify and wins a lot of games, then they’ll get higher dollar amount.  So, in a typical year, the P5 schools get a larger share of the money than most other conferences.  How much more can they really make by just having their own tournament??  I’d venture to say that it wouldn’t be a substantial amount.  It may even come out to less.  But…okay, let’s just say for the sake of argument that they can make a little bit more per school by going it on their own.  I am not conceding that point, but am merely supposing it.  My question is would it really be worth it??  Because, you know what would NOT increase??  The brightness of the spotlight that would be on the event.  I think it would be significantly dimmer, ESPECIALLY for the 48ish games that make up the first couple of rounds of their tournament.   When it comes to branding, and marketing, and all of those so-called “intangibles” that the NCAA Tournament can provide for an institution, is making a little more money worth performing on a smaller stage??  My feelings are that it is definitely not.

So my final thought is this….

We’ve all heard this statement many times.  “There’s nothing like March Madness!  There’s nothing like the NCAA Tournament!”  And you know what…there really isn’t!  But let’s look at one of the major things that makes it unlike anything else.  It really is tangible to just about everyone!!  The NFL Playoffs are great, but not  everyone lives in an NFL city, and many of those people who don’t probably don’t care about the playoffs nearly as much.  Same with the NBA.  Same with the MLB.  When it comes to the FBS College Football Playoff and Bowl Games, I would argue that those actually aren’t that great at all.  Anyone who is not a member of a select group of conferences is practically shut out no matter how good they are.  But the NCAA Basketball Tournament??  that IS great!!  It truly is a great event!!  You don’t need to live in a pro sports town.  You don’t need to have some sort of exclusive tie-in to a particular conference or group of conferences the way you do with college football.  Teams have to be good to make it to the NCAA Tournament, but all 358 D1 schools have a path to it.  If you live in a small town and went to a Southland school, or an OVC school, or an MVC school, you can still be a part of it.  Your school has a path to it.  That’s why it’s great.  That’s what will be ruined if the P5 opts for their own division.  And…if that happens…you know what you’ll never hear anyone say anymore??  “There is nothing like March Madness!!”  You know WHY you won’t hear that anymore??  Because it will no longer be true.

So even if they do think they can make more money (which, again, may not even be the case) the question has to be at what cost??  Getting back to those “intangibles” that I mentioned previously, they’d probably be trading in some really good ones for some really bad ones.  Would it be worth it??  Bad intangibles can sometimes end up being bad for the finances.

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In Memoriam: HoopsHD interviews Rodney Davis about John McDougal

John McDougal accomplished a lot at Evansville: he was a 3-year letterwinner as a halfback in the 1940s and was inducted into the Evansville Athletic Hall of Fame in 1981. He was not that shabby at Northern Illinois either: MAC COY in his very 1st season, winningest coach in school history, and 1995 NIU Athletic Hall of Fame inductee. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Coach McDougal’s former player Rodney Davis about winning the 1982 MAC tourney and being a great coach. Today is the 5th anniversary of Coach McDougal’s passing on October 28, 2016, so we take this time to honor his life/legacy.

Coach McDougal played basketball/ran track in high school and played football at Evansville: which sport was he best at, and which 1 did he enjoy the most? I am not 100% sure but I would assume basketball.

He served in the Navy during WWII: what impact did the war have on him either on or off the court? I never remember hearing any of his war stories: it is almost like he kept that separate from the team. However, he was prompt and had a great attention to detail.

His coaching career took off at West Aurora High School where he was state runner-up in 1976: how did he end up at Northern Illinois? I think it was just a case of good timing. He did very well at West Aurora: I think he lost the state title game on a last-second shot. Back then it was not a big deal to make a step up from high school to college, even though it is not the normal progression now.

In his 1st season at NIU he was named MAC COY after improving the team’s record from 5-21 to 13-14: how was he able to come in and turn things around so quickly? It was before my era but he changed the culture of the program and brought in some good players like Skip Hicks who he already knew.

You played for him back in the day: what made him such a good coach, and what was the most important thing that you ever learned from him? What made him exceptional to me was his ability to connect with his players. Not just from a basketball standpoint: he genuinely cared about his players and their families. His honesty really drew you in: he never raised his voice and screamed at you. He just had an approach that made it easy for us to talk to him after practice if we were not doing well: it was an open-door policy.

In the 1982 MAC tourney he won 3 games in 3 days by a combined 7 PTS: what did it mean to him to win the title, and what was the reaction like when he got back to campus? That was right before I came to the program. It was the 1st time the school had made it to the NCAA tourney so it was big for the community. It showed the Chicago area that there were good local teams besides DePaul/Illinois. I am sure that the campus was electric. The games came down to strategy because they were so close.

His 136 wins remain the most in school history: did you realize at the time how prolific a coach he was, and do you think that anyone will ever break his record? I think we did realize that there was something special about him when it came to how he handled everything: media, players, etc. I do not recall anyone who disliked the way that he went about his business. The longevity of coaches now is not the same as it was back then so I think it will be hard for anyone to break his record.

He won more than 550 high school games and in 2006 he was named 1 of the “100 Legends of the IHSA Boys Basketball Tournament”: where did that rank among the highlights of his career? I would think it is in the top 3-5. West Aurora is known for basketball and he helped it remain 1 of the top schools in the history of a very competitive state. His former assistant Gordie Kirkman later took over and continued the legacy there so his thumbprints are all over the program.

He passed away in 2016: when people look back on his career, how do you think that he should be remembered the most? He accomplished some great things on the court in high school/college but I will remember him more as a person. He lived his life right and tried to instill that in his players. He was full of integrity and was a guy who you could totally trust.

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The Hoops HD Report: AAC/A10/MWC/WCC Previews

Tonight, we preview each of the four conferences that don’t quite fall into the category of being power conferences, but are still regular multi-bid leagues when it comes to getting teams to the NCAA Tournament.  Not only that, but half of last year’s Final Four consisted of teams from this group (Gonzaga and Houston), so the teams at the top of these conferences are oftentimes as good as anyone.

In the American we think Houston will once again be one of the best teams in the league, but also feel that Memphis is the most talented team in the league.  The question for them is can that talent come together and gel for the Tigers this year.  Wichita State and SMU are two other teams we like.

In the Atlantic Ten, we all like Saint Bonaventure and think that they can end the regular season very high in the rankings if they can run away from the rest of the Atlantic Ten, which they are certainly good enough to do.  We discuss that, and how Richmond and maybe one or two other teams could end up in the NCAA Tournament.

In the Mountain West, Colorado State and San Diego State are the two teams we like the most, but also feel that Nevada could be a fringe NCAA Tournament team, and that Boise State is another team to watch.

And last, but certainly not least, we like top Ranked Gonzaga to once again be high in the rankings all year, potentially win 30+ games yet again, and end up on one of the top two lines.  BYU and Saint Mary’s are other teams that we feel could be dancing this March, and teams like LMU and San Francisco are teams that can make some nose.

And for all you radio lovers, below are the audio only versions of the shows…

American:

Atlantic Ten:

Mountain West:

West Coast:

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Big 12 Media Day Recap and Response

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BIG 12 MEDIA DAY PRESEASON POLL:

  1. Kansas
  2. Texas
  3. Baylor
  4. Texas Tech
  5. Oklahoma State
  6. West Virginia (tied 5th)
  7. Oklahoma
  8. TCU
  9. Kansas State
  10. Iowa State

 

COMMENTS FROM DAVID:

-With four starters back from a team that earned a #3 seed in last year’s NCAA Tournament, many believe Kansas to be a Final Four-caliber team this year.  They have guys who can score, a ton of weapons in both the frontcourt and the backcourt, a lot of depth, and they could easily end up on one of the top-2 lines this year.

-Texas is right behind Kansas.  Sometimes when a good team has an early exit in the NCAA Tournament people will forget how good they actually were.  Texas was upset by Abilene Christian, but they still earned a #3 seed and have some key pieces coming back.  One of the people who isn’t back is Shaka Smart, who may now hold the record for the coach with the highest seed in the NCAA Tournament who ended up getting fired. Chris Beard, who is a masterful bench coach, comes in to replace him so the Longhorns won’t miss a beat.  They did lose three starters but added some high-caliber transfers and should be in solid contention for a protected seed this year.

-Baylor is the defending national champion!  The bad news is that just one starter is back from last year’s team.  The good news is that while they may not be Final Four-good this year the Bears are still pretty damn good.  Some guys who came off the bench last year will be expected to step in to more key roles this year, but if they can do that then we should see this team solidly in the top 25 for most of the year.

-I like this Oklahoma State team: while they were picked to finish 5th I’m expecting them to finish somewhere in the top half of the standings and safely make the NCAA Tournament.  Four starters are back from a team that made the second round last year and played really well down the stretch.  While they did lose their top player in #1 overall pick Cade Cunningham, they have enough coming back that I think they’ll be really good this year.

-Texas Tech has three starters back, but the biggest change for them does not involved the players on the court, but rather the coaches on the bench.  Chris Beard left for Texas and has been replaced by Mark Adams, who has big shoes to fill.  Fortunately, he has some pretty good pieces both returning and transferring in, so this is a team that is capable of finishing in the top half of the league and landing safely inside the bubble.

-West Virginia earned a #3 seed a year ago, and while much of that team is gone they do have some good pieces coming back along with some pretty good additions.  They’re always tough defensively, always well-coached, and should never be overlooked or counted out.  I think they dance again this year.

-Oklahoma brings in Porter Moser as head coach, who had a fantastic run at Loyola Chicago.  This is a team that went to the second round of the NCAA Tournament a year ago, but may be in a bit of a rebuilding mode this year.  Just four players are back from a year ago, and while some of the newcomers can play a team with this many new pieces will always produce more questions than answers heading into the season.

-I like Jamie Dixon as a coach, and think that he can get TCU going on a regular basis eventually.  Having said that, I think they’ll be closer to the bottom of the league than they are to the top this year.  They do have a really solid player in Mike Miles and some really good players transferring in as well, so I don’t think they’ll necessarily be a doormat this year.

-It doesn’t seem like I’m ever big on Kansas State…and this year is no different.  They could prove me wrong: they certainly have before, and with four starters back they should be improved just based on how experienced they are.  However, they won just nine games a year ago and four games in league play (2 of which were against Iowa State).  Speaking of Iowa State…

-The Cyclones are coming off their worst season in recent memory.  They won just two games all season long, and were the winners of the HoopsHD Stallings Award.  While I think they won’t be as bad as they were a year ago, I still think they have a long way to go before they’re back within reach of the NCAA Tournament.

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Happy Birthday!: HoopsHD interviews James Holland about Mike Gibson

USC Upstate basketball was having a rough go of it in the mid-1970s while winning an average of 4 games/season…and then Mike Gibson showed up in 1978 and made everything better. During his 4 years the team won an average of 20 games/season, made the NAIA District 6 Tournament for 4 straight seasons, and won the 1982 NAIA national title. Gibson was a 2-time NAIA All-American, 1982 NAIA tourney MVP, and remains in the top-5 in school history in PTS/REB. In 1999 he became the 1st men’s basketball player to be inducted into the USC Upstate Athletics Hall of Fame. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Mike’s former teammate James Holland, who is currently the Senior Associate Commissioner of the Big South Conference, about winning a national title and getting drafted. Today is Mike’s 61st birthday so let us be the 1st to wish him a happy 1!

Mike was born in South Carolina: what made him choose Upstate for college? He was born in Hemingway, which is down by Myrtle Beach. He was at a very small high school so he did not have a lot of offers and was an under-the-radar guy. He was 6’8” and very thin but was probably ahead of his time because he could shoot the ball.

In 1982 his team opened the season 11-1 before losing 4 of its next 6 games: how were they able to get refocused? Coaches always say it is about the players but we had a great coach named Jerry Waters. There were high expectations for that 1982 team because we had been to the national tourney during our junior year. The games that we lost were all relatively close but we never lost confidence. Mike was the best player on the team and very talented. All 4 of those losses were on the road so we just tried to get back to doing whatever it took to get the job done.

The team won each of its 5 NAIA tourney games by double-digits including a 51-38 win over a 39-0 Biola team in the title game: what did it mean to him to win a title, and what was the reaction like after getting back to campus? It was really interesting. Mike was basically a 4-year starter, Wendell Gibson/myself were 3½-year starters, Doug Lightbody was a 3-year starter, and Odell Cleveland was a junior college transfer. Everyone felt that if we could go 1 step further by winning 2 tourney games it would be a success (after only winning 1 tourney game the previous year). After we won the 1st 2 pretty easily we started to think that we could win it all. We had been on a long winning streak but it was a little eerie at the end because you always thought that there would be another game. We were obviously happy to win a title but it was weird to finish our careers: we wanted to play against somebody else and see who we could compete with!

He was NAIA tourney MVP and a 2-time All-American: what did it mean to him to receive such outstanding honors? He was really focused. I will never forget sitting around someone’s apartment watching an NBA game on TV and they were interviewing famed scout Marty Blake. He mentioned a bunch of sleepers including Mike: the only people who probably recognized his name were the people who were in that apartment! It was not a lot of hype compared to what you would see for a guy like Zion Williamson: he was determined and worked really hard with that carrot of the NBA dangling out there. His focus was great for our team: guys have to be “selfish” sometimes. I hate using that word because it was not a bad “selfish” but a focused “selfish”. His desire to play in the NBA never exceeded his desire to win: if you win a lot of games then a lot of other things will take care of themselves. Scouts came to Kansas City to watch the national tourney so he knew that he needed to just go out and play.

He remains top-5 in school history in career PTS/REB: how did he balance his scoring with his rebounding? There were games when he would come in and say “I am getting every single rebound tonight”! Dennis Rodman made a career out of rebounding the ball: it is a hustle stat and was connected to Mike’s motivation to make it to the NBA. He was 6’10” so he was never at a height disadvantage. From a scoring standpoint he had the skill to make shots: if there was a 3-PT line back then he could have easily made a lot of shots from out there. He did not want to leave anything to chance in terms of people saying there was anything that he could not do: he also thought that he could dribble a little bit!

In the summer of 1982 he was drafted in the 2nd round by Washington (4 spots ahead of Craig Hodges): did he see that as a validation of his college career, or the realization of a lifelong dream of reaching the NBA, or other? I think that it validated him because he worked really hard in college. When you talk to young guys today about the small percentage of people who will play professionally, you have to understand that you never know who is watching. We did not have as much TV coverage back then but he played well and worked hard in the weight room. We did not have a nutritionist: you needed the self-discipline to dedicate yourself to taking care of your body. He was conscious of what he was eating, which was very rare 40 years ago. He was thin so he constantly tried to gain weight before joining the NBA as a 6’10”, 200-pound player.

The Bullets allegedly had him put on more weight so that he could be stronger (like teammates Jeff Ruland/Rick Mahorn) but the extra pounds took away some of his quickness: do you think that big men should put more weight on or keep it off? When you get to that stage and the GM tells you what you need to do to make the team, you do not disagree with him. I think it did affect his athleticism because he ran the floor so well in college…but when you put a 20-pound bag of sand on your back it will slow you down a bit. He definitely changed his game to take the pounding: when he came back to work out during the summers he would seek out contact but he lost a little finesse.

After playing in the NBA he spent the next decade playing professionally in the US and overseas: how big of a star did he become in foreign countries? He spent the majority of his career overseas but without any Internet at that time we just knew that he was over there. Every player reaches a point where you understand that it is a business and there is a small window of time to play professionally. He told me that he needed to make as much money as he could while doing something that he loved to do: he was not a 1-and-done player so even with a long career he “only” played about 13 years.

What has he been up to since retiring? For 2 guys who shared an apartment for 3 years in college we have just gone in different directions. We lost a little touch when I got into coaching but I know that he returned to Spartanburg and ran a couple of businesses like Baskin-Robbins.

When people look back on his career, how do you think that he should be remembered the most? I think that he is the best guy to ever play in District 6. There is certainly an argument to be made for a guy like Ulysses Hackett but Mike took it to the next level in the NBA and was really good. When you are the MVP of the title game it checks most of the boxes.

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