The Hoops HD Report: Final Four Recap

Chad and the panel look back at the Final Four and National Championship games and discuss how good this Baylor team was, and what a career Scott Drew has had bringing them from one of the worst power conference programs in the country to one of the blue bloods of the sport.  We also address the issue of how people feel Gonzaga is overrated or overvalued and look at how successful they have been in recent years despite not winning a national championship.  We also look back at other big moments in the tournament, discuss some of the bigger coaching changes, and give our final thoughts of the season.

And for all you radio lovers, below is an audio only version of the show…

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Puppet Ramblings: Final Four Thoughts

-For starters, BIG TIME congrats to Scott Drew and the Baylor Bears.  They survived a rough schedule in one of the nation’s toughest conferences, they had to overcome a COVID protocol shutdown at a crucial point in the season, their run to the national title game involved beating three protected seeds, plus a Villanova team that was red hot after winning the Big East Tournament and a Wisconsin team that was potentially dangerous, and they blew a Gonzaga team off the floor in National Title game.  This was a program that not only had no real basketball culture or history when Scott Drew arrived.  They were a program that was coming off one of the worst scandals and NCAA smackdowns in all of recent history.  So to take what was undeniably a complete mess and turn it into a national power is one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of coaching.  It really is.  They hadn’t just sucked for half a century.  They had sucked for half a century AND all but got the death penalty from the NCAA.

-I also want to say something about this Gonzaga program, and this year’s team in particular.  A lot of people say Gonzaga is overrated and they always choke in the tournament.  Whenever you hear anyone say that, do the best you can to not listen to them any further.  They are too stupid to listen to, and while I don’t think stupidity is necessarily contagious, I don’t know that for sure.

-Gonzaga has been to six straight Sweet Sixteens.  That’s more than anyone else.  On top of that, they’ve been to four Elite Eights, and been the national runners up twice during that stretch.  That is simply a remarkable run.  That’s not “choking.”  Only one team doesn’t lose their last game in the NCAA Tournament, yet Gonzaga is the only one who can win all but the national title game (twice) and be given that label.  Let’s compare this year’s team to the 2014-2015 Kentucky team.

-Gonzaga had just as many top 50 wins as that Kentucky team (13) despite playing fewer games overall.

-Gonzaga had more wins against teams that finished in the top 25 than that Kentucky team despite playing fewer games overall.

-Gonzaga went one round further.  The Kentucky team that year lost in the Final Four to a Wisconsin team that then ended up losing in the national title game.

Hence, I submit that this year’s Gonzaga team was objectively more accomplished than the 2014-2015 Kentucky team that everyone still says is so great and that no sane person would try to argue was a team that choked.

 

-The national title game, and the first Final Four game were kind of clunkers, but the UCLA vs Gonzaga Final Four game was one of the best played college basketball games I’ve ever seen.  It was an absolute classic where every time it looked like Gonzaga had momentum, UCLA would fight back.  The fact that it was UCLA, and that they have won 11 national titles, should take at least a little bit of the sting off that loss since…well…it’s not like they’ve never been this far or had those moments, but that is one thing about great games.  A team can play great, and still not win, and that’s what happened to UCLA the other night.

 

-The season from hell is FINALLY over!!  Thanks to all the players and coaches for making this season happen.  It’s hard enough as it is during normal times, but it was infinitely harder with COVID hanging over everything.  As a fan of the sport, I’m grateful that we got to have the season that we did, and want to thank everyone that made it happen regardless of how many games your teams won.  Hopefully we are now on a countdown back to normalcy!!  We will see you in full arenas next year!!

….and, we will see you periodically throughout the offseason as well.  We will try and get some good guests and show topics lined up and come at you with at least one podcast per month until October.  We will start those tonight!!

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Big Bear: HoopsHD interviews former Baylor star David Wesley

Tonight Baylor will try to make some history if they can knock off unbeaten Gonzaga and win the 1st basketball title in school history. The Bears are certainly experiencing a renaissance under Coach Scott Drew but they have had some great players in the past including 1992 SWC POY David Wesley. After averaging 17 PPG during his time in Waco he did not get drafted but was good enough to have a nice long NBA career including a trip to the 2007 NBA Finals. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with David about having LeBron James as a teammate and becoming 1 of the greatest undrafted players in NBA history.

What are your memories of the 1990 NIT at Baylor (you scored 17 PTS in a 9-PT loss to Mississippi State)? I know that we did not play well. We never made it to the NCAA tourney during my 3 years at Baylor.

In 1992 you scored 20.6 PPG and were named conference POY: what did it mean to you to win such an outstanding honor? It was a really big deal to get that honor: I did not expect it because we were only a .500 team.

In 2000 you and your friend/teammate Bobby Phills were speeding at more than 100 MPH when he lost control/collided with another car/was killed: how did Phills’ death change your life? For a long time I did not talk to the media and kind of shied away from people due to the stigma of being in that situation with Bobby. People said that we were racing but I can tell you that it was not a race. We were driving in separate cars and talking to each other on cell phones but were not passing each other at all. To this day I do not know what happened in that turn. It makes me thankful to be alive because I was not doing anything different than he was.

Take me through the 2004 Western Conference 1st round with New Orleans:
Rookie Dwyane Wade scored 21 PTS including a running jumper with 1.3 seconds left to give the Heat a 2-PT win in Game 1: could you tell at the time that Wade was going to become a superstar? Sometimes rookies do not even understand how good they are but Wade seemed to have a confidence about him to take big shots in big games. The key to a great career is how healthy you can stay for a long period of time: he had phenomenal quickness/athleticism.

You scored 2 PTS/1-10 FG in an 8-PT loss to Miami in Game 7: where does that rank among the most devastating losses of your career? It ranks up there pretty high. When we lost to Dallas in Game 7 the following year we seemed to not even show up so that 1 was the most disappointing. We had Game 6 on our floor to close out that series and could not get it done, which is another reason why that series sticks out in mind.

Take me through the 2005 Western Conference 1st round with the Rockets:
Referee Tim Donaghy later alleged that the NBA singled out Yao Ming for setting illegal screens so that this series would last longer/sell more tickets/have more games on TV: did you get the sense that the referees called everything fair in this series? Very few players feel like they foul on defense. I heard some talk about it in the media and from our coach but Yao was called for a lot of legitimate fouls: when you have a big body you get in collisions. I remember playing against Allen Iverson and it seemed like I would get called for a foul if I even breathed on him!

You had a 40-PT loss to Dallas in Game 7 (the most lopsided Game 7 victory in NBA playoff history): how did your team play so poorly against your in-state rival in the biggest game of the season? I have been on the other end of blowouts: it is a combination of 1 team not showing up and the other team having it all seem to click. When you are on the losing side it just seems like you cannot do anything right. They got it going early and their confidence was high.

Take me through the 2007 NBA playoffs with Cleveland:
In Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals in Detroit LeBron James set a playoff-career-high with 48 PTS by scoring each of the Cavaliers’ final 25 PTS of the game (which included a dunk at the end of the 1st OT to extend the game and a driving layup with 2 seconds left in the 2nd OT to win the game): what makes LeBron so great, and where does that rank among the greatest performances that you have ever seen? I would say that it was in the top-3 of games that I have actually been in. The thing that makes him great is his size and the fact that he can do so many things well despite being so big. I am surprised to see so many questions about his confidence after he went to Miami because he is the ultimate team player who finds the open man. Some people say that Kobe Bryant/Michael Jordan were the greatest ever because they could take/make some unbelievable shots: if LeBron does not make the game-winning shot then he becomes the scapegoat. I have always liked the way he that plays: sometimes he takes over and sometimes he does not.

You were swept by the Spurs in the Finals: did you consider your run a success (by getting to the Finals), or a failure (due to getting swept), or other? Unfortunately I did not play so I was just along for the ride and felt like a fan in the front row. I was so happy to watch our success because I had never been that far. I did not suit up for the last 20-30 games of the regular season. I have never been to a Finals game before or since because I always said that I would never go unless I was playing in 1. I felt bad that we got swept but it was still fun to see what goes on at the Finals.

You retired with 11,842 career PTS, which remains #2 all-time in NBA history among undrafted players (behind Moses Malone): did not getting drafted give you extra motivation to prove other teams wrong during your career? The motivation to get better and succeed came from when I was younger. I was all-everything in high school but did not get any scholarship offers. Baylor had a person come to 1 of my games to watch someone else play: I happened to have a good game and they eventually needed someone to replace 1 of their guards. After college I did not have a single NBA team even bring me in for a workout so the draft came and went without my name being called. I never felt like I was anyone’s #1 choice until I finally signed with Charlotte. People always thought I was too small to be a SG and did not handle the ball well enough to be a PG.

You still rank in the NBA’s top-100 all-time in 3PM (1123) and STL (1280): how were you able to balance your offense with your defense? I always enjoyed shooting the ball but defense is the 1 thing that got me in the league and kept me around as long as I did. I took personal pride in trying to get stops and make things difficult for my opponent. 1 of my favorite memories was playing for the Celtics in a 2-PT 3-OT win over Toronto in December 1996. I played 57 minutes and held Damon Stoudamire to 11-37 FG so even though he scored 31 PTS I felt like I did my job. I was a scorer in college but it took awhile until I felt comfortable shooting the ball in the NBA because my job was to get the ball to the scorers.

In 2008 you returned to Baylor to get your degree: how much importance do you place on education? It is a personal thing with me. Both of my brothers had degrees, as did my parents: the joke was that I was making the most money despite being the only 1 in the family without a degree! I have 4 kids and to encourage them to get their own degrees I tell them that an education will give them a better chance to get a job. I had a basketball camp every June and shared that same message with the campers.

After retiring you worked as an assistant coach for the Texas Legends in the D-League: how did you like the job, and what do you hope to do in the future? It was a tough league but I loved the challenge of it. I got to work with head coach Del Harris, which gave me the chance to learn from a guy who has been around forever and was oozing with knowledge/ideas. I would love to be an NBA head coach 1 day. In the D-League you have to do EVERYTHING so I got a lot of experience that other people do not. I know what the film guy does, how to create a scouting report, how to develop a practice plan: you name it. In the NBA you have 12-14 guys who are on your team all year, while in the D-League you might have 20-25 different guys on your roster throughout the year so you have to keep your system simple. It taught me how to adjust and figure out things on the fly. Jeff Van Gundy was my favorite coach to play for because he held everyone accountable.

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The Hoops HD Report: Final Four Edition

Chad and the panel recap the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight rounds of what has been a crazy NCAA Tournament.  We look at Gonzaga’s continued dominance, UCLA’s crazy wins in the Sweet Sixteen against Alabama and the Elite Eight against Michigan, Houston’s path to the Final Four which somehow featured four double digit seeds, Oral Roberts’ near upset win over Arkansas, and more…

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Puppet Ramblings: Elite Eight, Day 2

-The ratings for the NCAA Tournament are through the roof this year.  They are always high, but they are DAMN high this year!  I don’t know if it’s because we didn’t get one last year.  I don’t know if it’s because we had fewer games that were staggered.  I don’t know if it’s because more people typically watch TV on Monday than on any other night of the week, and this year we’ve had games on Mondays.  But whatever the reason, we are seeing some of the highest ratings in close to thirty years.

-Oregon State fell behind early to Houston, but battled back and actually tied it late in the second half, but just couldn’t hold on.  Houston is back in the Final Four since the days of Phi Slamma Jamma.  While it’s disappointing for the Beavers, their run was still historic.  I believe it is only the second time that a team who was seeded outside the bubble advanced to the Elite Eight (the other being Loyola Chicago the year they made the Final Four).  I know Missouri also got to the Elite Eight as a #12 seed in 2002, but they were actually selected as an at-large that year.  So was VCU in 2011 when made the Final Four.

Another bit of trivia is that even though Loyola was a #11 seed in 2018 and Oregon State was a #12 this year, they were both #46 on the committee’s seedlist and both were seeded behind the last at-large team.  So, what Oregon State did this year is not something that is commonly done.  And…ROCCO MILLER CALLED IT!!!!!

-Arkansas battled Baylor for pretty much the entire game, but were doing all of their battling from behind.  While they were never out of the game, Baylor was seemingly always in control of it.  This is a damn good Bears team, and they’ll face another former Southwest Conference foe in the Final Four.

As for tonight’s games…

-It is worth noting that earlier in the year Gonzaga blew out Kansas, and that was really the first time we realized that there seemed to be a big canyon separating the Zags from everyone else.  But, just last week, USC also blew out Kansas!  By even more!  So, is it so crazy to think that USC might be able to play with Gonzaga tonight??  I don’t think so.  I think the Zags win, but watch out for USC because they are smoking hot right now.

-Michigan has looked like one of the more dominant teams in the tournament, and UCLA has played in the most exciting games of the tournament.  Logic tells me that Michigan should totally run away with this, but UCLA is a good defensive team and I don’t think Michigan is just going to walk all over them.

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Puppet Ramblings: Elite Eight, Day 1

-The only Sweet Sixteen game that featured two protected seeds ended up being one of the biggest clunkers of the whole day, and perhaps even the whole tournament.  Neither Florida State or Michigan looked all that much like protected seeds, or for that matter even NCAA Tournament teams, for a good portion of that game, but Michigan finally pulled it together and ended up waxing the Seminoles.  The Noles picked perhaps the worst day possible to have one of their worst days of the season.

-USC opened it up against Oregon and has earned the right to take on Gonzaga.  Everyone has been impressed with the Zags, and rightfully so, but USC has blown through some really good teams in this tournament as well, so there is perhaps reason to think they can step up on the Zags and give them a game.  Speaking of the Zags…

-It’s crazy to say this, but I thought Creighton played really well for a lot of that game.  They hung tough in the first half, they kept playing hard when Gonzaga opened it up, and did a lot of things right.  They still got blown out, but Creighton looked pretty good.  That is the level of Good that Gonzaga is on.  They can play a really good opponent, that team can play really well, and Gonzaga still wins huge.

-UCLA took down Alabama in the only game of the day that was exciting, but DAMN was it exciting!!  Just about ten days ago, UCLA was down to Michigan State by double digits and no one thought they’d make it this far.  Shortly before that, there was debate over whether or not UCLA belonged in at all.  Funny how quickly things can change…

As for tonight’s games…

-IT’S AN OLD FASHION SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE SHOWCASE!!  We’ve got Baylor and Arkansas in one game, and Houston taking on outsider Oregon State in the other.  Both games have fascinating story lines…

-Baylor was bad at basketball for the longest time, and really exploded onto the scene under Scott Drew.  They are now a blue blood and while they’ve been this far before, they’ve not been to the Final Four since he arrived.

-Arkansas has a rich basketball history, but this is their first time getting past the second weekend since 1996 and they are on the cusp of making it to the Final Four.

-Oregon State is a team that three weeks ago no one thought would be in the NCAA Tournament, and they wouldn’t have been had they not won the Pac 12 Tourney, but are now just one game away from the Final Four.  This is a team that throughout its history almost never makes the NIT, but that now has a chance of going to the Final Four.

-Houston was a basketball wasteland prior to the arrival of Kelvin Sampson.  That program is now back on the national stage and has a chance catapult its brand over the moon if they can win tonight.

It should be fun!  Enjoy the games!!

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