The Olympians: HoopsHD interviews Chris Reinemann about 1948 Olympic gold medalist RC Pitts

The NBA Finals date back to 1947 (when they were known as the Basketball Association of America Finals) and the very 1st NCAA tourney was held in 1939. Olympic basketball competition is even older: it debuted as a demonstration event in 1904 and the men’s version became a medal sport in 1936, with the women finally getting their chance to go for the gold in 1976. The United States has dominated Olympic basketball competition from the start: the men have won 15 gold medals in the 18 tournaments they have participated in during the past 84 years, while the women have won 8 gold medals in the 10 tournaments in which they have competed during the past 44 years. Those of you who were looking forward to the 2020 Olympics opening ceremonies in Tokyo on July 24, 2020 will have to wait an extra 364 days, as the coronavirus caused a postponement until July 23, 2021. Due to the absence of college basketball since mid-March, HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel decided to fill the void by trying to interview as many prior Olympic players/coaches as possible so that you have something to read this summer while not watching the Summer Games. We continue our coverage by chatting with Chris Reinemann about her father RC Pitts winning a gold medal in 1948. RC passed away in 2011 but if he were still alive then today would have been his 101st birthday.

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Your father’s 1st name was Robert: who gave him the nickname “RC”, and how did he like it? The legal name on his birth certificate is RC Pitts: his name is initials only. He was the 4th son and his parents took the R from his mother (Rose) and the C from his father (Charles): RC. The government and some companies wanted to give him a name so at times they called him Robert. He never knew why or where they got the name Robert. The only nickname he had was in high school where they called him “Little Pitts” because he had 3 older brothers.

He was born/raised in Mississippi: what made him choose Arkansas? I am unsure why he chose the University of Arkansas. After he helped Arkansas pull out a last minute 21-20 victory over Ole Miss he was mentioned in a local Oxford newspaper called “Rambling Notes Quite Likely More Hollow than Homily”. The column stated, “It was a former Oxford boy who caused most of the trouble: RC (Little) Pitts, who was a whale of a good player for the University High School team a few years back and was allowed to drift away from Ole Miss. He was responsible for throwing for a 15-yard loss and then blocking a kick which another Razorback grabbed and converted into the last touchdown. Unquestionably, the margin of victory was mainly due to Little Pitts.”

He played basketball/football in Fayetteville: which sport was he best at, and which sport did he enjoy the most? He played football and basketball in college and enjoyed them both. He took both sports seriously and worked hard to succeed in both. In the 1942 NFL draft he was drafted in the 17th round by the Brooklyn Dodgers. He was quoted as saying, “I want to look for a coaching job after graduation and if that fails then I will give the pros a try.” He was married so back then he felt that he would make more money if he was coaching rather than playing in the pros. It turns out that he never did either 1 because after graduation he was off to war.

He served in the Army Air Corps in WWII, where he and his crew flew 22 successful missions over Germany: what impact did his service have on him either on or off the court? He is a member of the “Greatest Generation” but the war was not something that he talked about very much. One thing he decided was that he did not want to walk the war so he chose the Army Air Corps, where he became a pilot and flew 22 missions over Germany. He told his grandson that during 1 mission he heard a loud boom under the plane he was flying. He thought that was it and that they had been hit: he was shocked when the plane somehow continued to fly. He faced the fear of death and that was an impact on his life.

He was an AAU All-American with the Phillips 66ers in 1948 and won 3 AAU national titles: what did it mean to him to win all of those titles? It meant a lot to him to win those titles. He was proud of his and the team’s hard work/accomplishments. He always said,” It does not matter the job one does: what matters is that you have done your best.” He did that in all aspects of his life, no matter how small or big the task.

He won a gold medal with team USA at the 1948 Olympics: what did it mean to him to represent his country, and what did it mean to him to win a gold medal? It was a great honor for him to represent his country in the 1948 Olympics and for the USA basketball team to win a gold medal. It was an experience of a lifetime and one that he greatly treasured. Gold medals are given to only a small amount of athletes in the world and he was so very proud to be one of those athletes.

After leaving Phillips he became vice president of a railroad company and then owned his own trucking company: how was he able to follow his on-court success by becoming so successful off the court? He took what he had done in sports and used it to become successful off the court too. BellSouth was an official sponsor of the 1996 Olympic Team and put together a booklet called “A Community of Champions,” which featured people throughout the South and their experiences/reflections to inspire people as the Olympic Games in Atlanta approached. His page said, “I think the most important thing I carried from basketball to business was that every day is a new day and you have to succeed that particular day. That does not mean getting a pot of gold every day but you have to keep moving forward and that means dealing with change. Someone comes up with a good/new move and what usually happens at first is that everybody thinks it is strange or even wrong. Then somebody else tries it, maybe refines it a little, and it becomes accepted. It is an evolution whether it is basketball or business. That process has to take place because change is inevitable and you have to learn how to handle it or you will go under.”

He later participated in the Senior Olympics: was he always an active guy? There was a time in his life when he was busy working/supporting his family and he was not as active as he had been while playing sports in college and basketball with Phillips 66. He started playing basketball with a group of friends after he sold his business and retired. They played in Baton Rouge and also traveled to neighboring states to play. He also competed in the Senior Olympics, finally hanging up his basketball shoes at 85 years old! After almost 70 years of marriage his wife’s health was declining and he wanted to be there for her and help with her care.

He was eventually inducted into the Arkansas Hall of Fame: what did it mean to him to receive such an outstanding honor? He was moved and deeply honored to be inducted into the Arkansas Hall of Fame, which highlighted his career at the university. My parents were married when they were seniors in high school so that my mom could travel with my dad to Arkansas. They always held fondly their time in Fayetteville: the college, coaches, players, and lifetime friends. I know it touched his heart to be inducted/remembered at the university that he and my mom loved so much.

He passed away in 2011: when people look back at his career, how do you think that he should be remembered the most? I am glad that his athletic career is remembered. I know it meant a lot to him to have worked hard and for him and the teams he played on to be acknowledged. All of the medals/awards/experiences/people he met over the years led to quite a life for a young man from a small town in Mississippi. I think that he should also be remembered for his love of his family. He supported/guided/encouraged us with a hand to hold and a shoulder to lean on. He was always there for us no matter what was happening in our own lives. Our family was always close and we always felt loved.

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The Olympians: HoopsHD interviews Kerry Eggers about 1992 Olympic gold medalist Clyde Drexler

The NBA Finals date back to 1947 (when they were known as the Basketball Association of America Finals) and the very 1st NCAA tourney was held in 1939. Olympic basketball competition is even older: it debuted as a demonstration event in 1904 and the men’s version became a medal sport in 1936, with the women finally getting their chance to go for the gold in 1976. The United States has dominated Olympic basketball competition from the start: the men have won 15 gold medals in the 18 tournaments they have participated in during the past 84 years, while the women have won 8 gold medals in of the 10 tournaments in which they have competed during the past 44 years. Those of you who were looking forward to the 2020 Olympics opening ceremonies in Tokyo on July 24, 2020 will have to wait an extra 364 days, as the coronavirus caused a postponement until July 23, 2021. Due to the absence of college basketball since mid-March, HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel decided to fill the void by trying to interview as many prior Olympic players/coaches as possible so that you have something to read this summer while not watching the Summer Games. We continue our coverage by chatting with Kerry Eggers, the co-author of “Clyde the Glide: My Life in Basketball”, about Clyde winning a gold medal in 1992. Today is Clyde’s 58th birthday so let us be the 1st to wish him a happy 1!

As a college player at Houston Clyde made back-to-back Final 4s in 1982/1983: how big of a cultural phenomenon was “Phi Slamma Jamma”? We had never seen anything like it in terms of their athleticism. Akeem (now Hakeem) Olajuwon was as good as any center that we have ever seen (although he was still developing) and Clyde definitely earned his “Clyde the Glide” nickname.

The Cougars entered the 1983 NCAA title game on a 26-game winning streak but a buzzer-beater by Lorenzo Charles gave NC State a 2-PT upset: where does his performance rank among the most devastating of his career (he picked up 4 fouls before halftime and scored only 4 PTS/1-5 FG)? I did not cover him until 1989 but I know that he was disappointed with the loss.

In the summer of 1983 he was drafted 14th overall by Portland (1 spot behind Ennis Whatley): was he thrilled to get drafted in the 1st round, or unhappy that he dropped so low, or other? I think that he was disappointed. He made it a challenge because he thought he was better than the 13 guys picked ahead of him but he was happy to go to Portland.

On January 6, 1989 he scored a career-high 50 PTS/19-28 FG in 49 minutes during a 5-PT 2-OT win over Sacramento: was it just 1 of those scenarios where every shot he put up seemed to go in because he was “in the zone”? He had so many incredible games but Sacramento was not a good team back then.

In Game 5 of the 1990 NBA Finals Detroit’s Vinnie Johnson made the title-winning jump shot with 0.7 seconds left in a 2-PT road win, and in Game 6 of the 1992 NBA Finals Chicago overcame a 15-PT 4th quarter deficit to win its 2nd straight title: while it was obvious that he was good enough to lead his team to the Finals, was he worried that he would never actually win a title? He is the reason that they got there and remains the best player in Portland history. They were simply not the best team in either of those series. The “Bad Boys” were a very tough team and deserved to win, although there were no blowouts during the series. In 1992 they were facing 1 of the best players of all-time in Michael Jordan. Clyde thought that he was the best player in the league and was absolutely disappointed to not win it. The 1991 team made the Western Conference Finals before losing to the Lakers: THAT was actually the team that should have won it all.

He won a gold medal with the “Dream Team” at the 1992 Olympics: what did it mean to him to represent his country, and what did it mean to him to win a gold medal? In 1991 the USOC chose 10 NBA players and decided to add 1 pro and 1 collegian the following year. Clyde was not 1 of the original 10 and had a fantastic season: he played so well that they could not keep him from becoming the 11th pro. It was certainly deserved: Jordan was the 1992 MVP but Clyde was runner-up and had a tremendous All-Star Game as well. He had a great time on the Dream Team but was not 1 of the star players. At night he would have beers with Larry Bird and in the morning he would play golf with Patrick Ewing/Charles Barkley. They knew that they would win the gold: it was a done deal.

Take me through the magical 1995 NBA playoffs with Houston after Portland honored his request to be traded to a contender that February:
In Game 4 of the Western Conference 1st round he and Olajuwon became the 3rd set of teammates to each score 40+ PTS in a playoff game in a win over Utah: do you think the fact that they were college teammates allowed them to play so well together in the same city more than a decade later? It may have played a small part that they had some chemistry.

Despite being the #6 seed in the West they swept Orlando in the Finals thanks to some poor FT shooting by Nick Anderson and some great clutch shooting by Robert Horry: what did it mean to him to finally win a ring after coming so close so many times in both college and the pros? It meant everything to Clyde because he wanted to prove that he could win a title.

In 1996 he was named 1 of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA history: where does that rank among the highlights of his career? I do not know where it ranks but is certainly meaningful to him. It was quite a scene when they all gathered together at the All-Star Game that year.

Despite declaring for the NBA draft after his junior year his 268 career STL remain the most in school history, in the 1996 NBA season opener he tied a record with 8 STL in the 2nd half of a win over Sacramento, and his 2207 career STL remain top-10 in NBA history: do you think that he gets enough credit for his defense? I talked about that with him. He always took pride in his defense and was so quick that he could anticipate where the ball was going. Many people think that Damian Lillard is the greatest Blazer ever: he might get there some day but Clyde is still the best in my opinion.

He was inducted into the Naismith Hall of Fame in both 2004 for his individual career and 2010 as a member of the Dream Team and was inducted into the College Basketball Hall of Fame in 2006: when people look back at his career, how do you think that he should be remembered the most? I think that he should be remembered as a graceful superstar and a very nice person who was kind to fans. He could not walk 1 block in Portland without a fan coming up to him and he was always gracious. He is the greatest player that I ever covered.

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The Olympians: HoopsHD interviews 1964 Olympic gold medalist Joe Caldwell

The NBA Finals date back to 1947 (when they were known as the Basketball Association of America Finals) and the very 1st NCAA tourney was held in 1939. Olympic basketball competition is even older: it debuted as a demonstration event in 1904 and the men’s version became a medal sport in 1936, with the women finally getting their chance to go for the gold in 1976. The United States has dominated Olympic basketball competition from the start: the men have won 15 gold medals in the 18 tournaments they have participated in during the past 84 years, while the women have won 8 gold medals in the 10 tournaments in which they have competed during the past 44 years. Those of you who were looking forward to the 2020 Olympics opening ceremonies in Tokyo on July 24, 2020 will have to wait an extra 364 days, as the coronavirus caused a postponement until July 23, 2021. Due to the absence of college basketball since mid-March, HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel decided to fill the void by trying to interview as many prior Olympic players/coaches as possible so that you have something to read this summer while not watching the Summer Games. We continue our coverage by chatting with Joe Caldwell about beating John Wooden in the 1963 NCAA tourney and winning a gold medal in 1964. Today marks the 2nd anniversary of Joe’s grandson Marvin Bagley III getting picked 2nd overall by Sacramento in the 2018 NBA Draft.

In April of 1947 you witnessed the Texas City disaster, which killed more than 500 people and triggered the 1st-ever class action lawsuit against the US government: what impact did seeing the deadliest industrial accident in US history have on you as a 6-year old kid? I can still remember that awful day because it is still in my mind. It is hard to get over it: I can still see the same man flying through the air. I wanted to run but my dad told me to get down. I thank God that I only had 1 sister get hurt when a department store window collapsed on her. As I got older I would think about how blessed we were to live through it but some of my family’s friends were never heard from again. Sometimes when I am sitting alone I will still think about it: it was a tough time to see all of those people die.

In 1960 you were named a Parade All-American: which of your fellow honorees impressed you the most (Connie Hawkins/Bill Bradley/Roger Brown/other)? The best players I watched back then were Jerry West/Elgin Baylor. 1 of my all-time heroes was Wilt Chamberlain. 1 morning around 8AM he came to play 3-on-3 at a park in California and we were all lined up around the court. We shot FTs to get a chance to play: Wilt looked at me and asked if I could play and I told him that I put my shoes on just like he did. He told me to join his team…and we won every single game that we played until 5:45PM! He drove me home in his Cadillac and I was in hog heaven: that is 1 of my fondest memories. I won a state championship during high school and ended up going to ASU.

In the 1963 NCAA tourney as a player at ASU you had 22 PTS/10-18 FG/12 REB in a win over UCLA: how big a deal was it to beat John Wooden (who won 10 titles in the following 13 years) in the NCAA tourney? My high school coach Bill Thayer was a UCLA man so I was planning to become a Bruin but I did not take any college prep classes so I had to do 1 year of junior college. UCLA eventually put me on campus and gave me a job pulling weeds out of the prettiest rose gardens you had ever seen for $3.50/hour. I was roommates with 3 other players including my future Olympic teammate Walt Hazzard. 1 day I got a knock on the door and it was an assistant coach from ASU who wanted to give me a ride. I asked him where we were going and he said “Arizona”. I got here and it was hot: I assumed that somebody from UCLA would call me but nobody raised a stink so I figured I would stay put because it was obvious how much ASU wanted me at their school. I played with some great guys like future ABA All-Star Art Becker: we gelled together and whipped everybody in the WAC. I looked at Coach Wooden before the game and neither of us said anything. We had a huge lead by halftime and even after sitting our starters we still won by 14 PTS. Hazzard and those other guys never forgot about it: they could not believe that I did not come back to campus. 5 years later Wooden came back to play ASU and left his starters in the game for all 40 minutes: he never forgot.

You won a gold medal with team USA at the 1964 Olympics: what did it mean to you to represent your country, and what did it mean to you to win a gold medal? They picked 100 of us and I flew to Kentucky for a tryout, which was only the 3rd time I had ever been on a plane. Most of the All-American players that year were from schools in the East (such as Bill Bradley from Princeton and Jeff Mullins from Duke): I was wondering what I was doing there with all of them. We ran, split into teams for a scrimmage, and then went to New York for a tournament to see who would get picked to go to the Olympics. I was on the White team and we lost a game so I figured that I had missed my opportunity. They posted a list in the hotel lobby the next day around 1PM of who made the team: when Coach Iba said I had made it as his choice it was 1 of the best feelings of my life. I am still in touch with many of my Olympic buddies who are still alive. I thought that the USOC was going to bring us back as their guests for the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo before the Games got cancelled. We have lost 4 guys from that team (Jim Barnes/Dick Davies/Hazzard/Pete McCaffrey) but the other 8 were planning to attend. When the USOC said they were not doing it I simply could not believe it. My friend Michael Tucker said that he would send me back to Tokyo himself: it was very emotional for me. I called up the USOC to say that I had a plane ticket but they still would not give me a hotel/game ticket, and then the virus hit and the Olympics were postponed. There was so much political stuff going on during 1964 with the Cold War that the Russians were doing whatever they could to beat us. 1 of the Russian players asked me how long our team had been together and I told him 3 months: he said that his team had been playing together for 8 years. How much better can it get than to be the best in the world?! I was hoping to go back this summer but I guess it was just not meant to be. There were a lot of negative articles in 1964 that said we were not as good as past US Olympic teams so it was great to actually win it. The Olympics were the greatest part of my life: that memory has stuck with me similar to the way that the Texas City memory has. George Wilson later reminded me of all the great players who never made the Olympics: Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, etc. I called Coach Iba after he lost in 1972 and asked how it happened. He said that he was more concerned about getting his pocket picked while he was standing on the court! A lot of teams played us rough: we actually had to come from behind to beat the Russians. Iba told referee Mendy Rudolph to throw the ball high because he knew that I would out-jump the Russians.

In the spring of 1964 you were drafted 2nd overall by Detroit (6 spots ahead of Reed): did you see that as a validation of your college career, or the realization of a lifelong dream of reaching the NBA, or other? I did not want Detroit to take me because it was too cold for a desert rat like me. Earl Lloyd explained to me that there were a lot of cold-weather NBA cities so when I went 2nd behind Barnes it felt nice. What kept me grounded were my 13 brothers/sisters who told me not to lose my way. You have to respect God/yourself/family. If I complained about my brother not doing something he would tell me to just worry about doing my own job and I have patterned my life after that. My mom said that you cannot rush God: I stayed humble and thought about all of the good things that happened to me. I do not think I left the block in Detroit where my hotel was: there was a movie theater on 1 side and a bar on the other side. There was a woman at the bar named “Lottie the Body” (legendary burlesque dancer Lottie Tatum-Graves-Claiborne, who passed away last March): she was something!

You played 6 years in the NBA/5 years in the ABA and were named an All-Star and All-Defensive team player in both leagues: what was the biggest difference between the 2 leagues, and what is the secret to playing great defense? The ball was red/white/blue in the ABA and was a little slicker but it was basically the same game. The 3-PT line was also a little different but you still have to put the ball in the basket. Superstars come and go but all that the fans will remember is how long you played and how many games you won. I made $11,500 as a rookie and then made $17,000 with St. Louis. I would get fined $50 if I made a mistake so that got my attention. The coach said he did not need any more scorers so I just focused on playing defense. ASU coach Ned Wulk taught me how to play defense without needing a drink of water during a game. If your stomach is warmed up and then you douse it with cold water it will make you work harder. I once asked John Havlicek if he ever got tired: he said that the right question was whether I could keep up with him! The art of defense is long gone: the young people now want to score 40 PPG and be a hero. I might not have been able to stop stars like West or Havlicek but if I could hold them to 20 PPG then I had done my job. Defense was already built into me during high school/college: if I could steal the ball before you crossed half-court then I could get an easy 2 PTS. If defense is played right then you can control the game. When you see your teammate struggling then you want to help them out by neutralizing your opponent. I tried to pass that along to my grandsons…but they prefer to shoot threes.

In February of 1971 as a player for Carolina you scored a career-high 56 PTS in a win over Kentucky: was it just 1 of those scenarios where every shot you put up seemed to go in because you were “in the zone”? I had a # of 40-PT games but it seemed like I could never break 50. That night I had 48 PTS at halftime: I had some teammates who would not get me the ball in the 2nd half and the fans booed them! The next game 1 of those teammates got hot and I made sure to get the ball to him: when you get hot your teammates will be the 1st to recognize it. It was a great night: I got out of the hospital earlier that day and then had a highlight moment. I played in the All-Star Game that year for the West: they gave the MVP award to Mel Daniels and the fans booed for 15 minutes while yelling that I should have been named MVP.

Your contract with Carolina contained an “irrevocable guarantee” for you to receive $6,600/month beginning at age 55 but owner Tedd Munchak sued you to try to negate the pension: how did it feel to prevail, and how sweet was it to receive that very 1st pension payment in 1996? I consider it to be the greatest contract in pro basketball history. My pension called for a $600 monthly payment multiplied by each of the 11 years that I played for a total of $6600/month. The owner later told the world that he meant to say $60 instead of $600. I was just trying to make sure that I would have $1 million/year in retirement on which to live comfortably. They tried to change the amount from $600 to $60 and they lost. My agent gave me a crash-course in economics in 1968 and asked me how much things like bread/gas would cost in 2000: I told him that I had no idea. In 2000 when I went to buy bread/gas I was stunned because he was correct. I was planning to play for 20 years and the insurance guy calculated that my pension would be around $1 million/year. If my 1st check in 1996 had read $79,200 then it would have been very sweet: instead I am making $6600 but I am still getting by. That is a war that I have been fighting for the past 40 years but there is nothing more I can do about it. I talked to a lawyer at ASU and he looked into it: he told me he could help me out but he was playing tennis 1 day and had a heart attack. They shut me down after 11 years and now I have to pay taxes on my current pension.

After Carolina moved to St. Louis the team suspended you for “activities detrimental to the best interests of professional basketball” and your subsequent antitrust lawsuit vs. the ABA went all the way to the Supreme Court: how frustrating was it to spend so much of your time in a court of law rather than on a basketball court? After 45 years what is so astounding is that I have not been able to find a single lawyer to resolve my contract pension. I spent several years fighting the hardest businessmen in the NBA. I do not know a lot about business but I know the contract that I signed. If I was getting a tax-free pension of $950,000/year I would be 1 of the highest-paid players in history. I had to negotiate that deal myself, which is not the way that it works these days. My object was to win games at all costs: offense, defense, whatever it took. You will not see me screaming at anybody: if it was not a valid contract then why would I have to file an antitrust case? I am still trying to recover after being in bankruptcy for 13 years. I never retired: they kicked me out due to me wanting to have something to live off of after I was out of the game. I thought that they were kidding because I thought I knew the law but nothing happened. You have to have faith in something.

Your grandson Marvin Bagley III was the #2 overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft: what makes him such a great player, and who is the best athlete in the family? I tell him all the time that I have been there. When my youngest grandson was 3 or 4 years old we were sitting around the kitchen table and he said that he wanted to be better than all of us! When Marvin was picked #2 it felt like deja vu or a rerun: it was unbelievable…but there was no way that he was making only $11,500! To be sitting with him at the draft in New York was great. I do not know what the other 2 will be like because they are still learning but if they just do their job then they will be all right.

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The Olympians: HoopsHD interviews Dale Brown about 1996 Olympic gold medalist Shaquille O’Neal

The NBA Finals date back to 1947 (when they were known as the Basketball Association of America Finals) and the very 1st NCAA tourney was held in 1939. Olympic basketball competition is even older: it debuted as a demonstration event in 1904 and the men’s version became a medal sport in 1936, with the women finally getting their chance to go for the gold in 1976. The United States has dominated Olympic basketball competition from the start: the men have won 15 gold medals in the 18 tournaments they have participated in during the past 84 years, while the women have won 8 gold medals in the 10 tournaments in which they have competed during the past 44 years. Those of you who were looking forward to the 2020 Olympics opening ceremonies in Tokyo on July 24, 2020 will have to wait an extra 364 days, as the coronavirus caused a postponement until July 23, 2021. Due to the absence of college basketball since mid-March, HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel decided to fill the void by trying to interview as many prior Olympic players/coaches as possible so that you have something to read this summer while not watching the Summer Games. We continue our coverage by chatting with former LSU coach Dale Brown about his former player Shaquille O’Neal winning a gold medal in 1996. Today marks the 14th anniversary of Shaq getting 9 PTS/12 REB in a 3-PT win at Dallas in Game 6 of the 2006 NBA Finals to clinch his 4th NBA title in a 7-year span.

You 1st met Shaq when his stepfather Phillip Harrison was stationed on an Army base in West Germany: what was your 1st impression of him, and could you have ever imagined that he would eventually grow to 7’1”/330 pounds? The US planned a summer mission to send troops to the East German border and had me go out to talk to the enlisted men/officers. I finished my lecture and was eager to get home and there was this giant of a guy who was stuttering. He asked me if I could show him some exercises and I said yes. I showed him some non-resistance exercises and said I would send him a copy of our weight training program. I asked him how long he had been in the service since he was 6’9”…and he said that he was only 13 years old! He walked me over to the sauna and just as I was going to open the door his stepfather came out and was sweating profusely. I gave him my card and he looked at it with disdain: he said that he wanted his son to be educated so that he could become a military general or a bank president. About 6 weeks later Shaq wrote me a letter saying that his high school coach cut him for being too clumsy. I wondered what to say to a heartbroken 13-year old and I told him that the secret is to sincerely try to do your very best: if you never give up then God will take care of everything else. A couple of years ago he told me that he walked a mile in the snow to his mailbox, saw my letter, and decided to stick with it.

He went 68-1 record during his 2 years at Robert G. Cole High School in San Antonio, won a state title as a senior, and was the 1989 McDonald’s All-American Game MVP: how did you get him to come to Baton Rouge, and how difficult was it to recruit him? I do not know how difficult it was because he never seemed interested in any other schools. I never tried to pressure him and just told him the truth. We were filming the “Shaq and Dale” SEC Storied program with Hannah Storm a few years ago: he said that every other school was telling him that he could definitely start, and the fact that I would not do so was actually a positive.

At LSU he led the nation in REB and was named national POY in 1991, and in 1992 he led the nation in BLK: was it just a result of him being bigger/stronger than everyone else? He did not really have any moves in high school and was just a power player. He was not developing as a freshman and was struggling so I brought in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to teach him a hook shot and brought in Bill Walton to work on his post moves/passing…and he got better and better and better. His family said that they wanted me to advise them regarding the NBA/getting an agent.

How close was he to filling the college spot on the 1992 “Dream Team”, and why did they end up choosing Christian Laettner instead of him? Laettner was probably more advanced then Shaq was at that time but we never discussed it.

After being drafted 1st overall by Orlando in 1992 he became the 1st rookie to ever be named Player of the Week during his very 1st week in the NBA, the 1st rookie to be voted an All-Star starter since Michael Jordan in 1985, and eventually 1993 NBA ROY: how was he able to come in and dominate right from the start? Some people reach their peak early but he just kept getting better with each passing day. His size/strength were the dominant factors but even in the NBA he improved as a FT shooter. I told him that I would bring in Rick Barry to work with him on underhanded shots but he said that would be embarrassing. I said that there was no way he could shoot 75 FT% during preseason practice because he was lucky if he could make 50%…and somehow he ended up making more than 75%. Most of his stats went down from college to the pros: he actually made 12-12 FTs in his final college game vs. Indiana in the 1992 NCAA tourney. We had a rule that if anyone missed class then they would have to do a 5AM workout. 1 week I told my assistant Johnny Jones that I would handle it by getting Shaq up the next day. We went down to the track and I told him that he could not miss class. He said that he could not run anymore because he was tired and I asked him where he was transferring to! He finished his freshman year with the highest GPA on the team and now has his doctorate. I am sick of hearing about coaches who buy cars for their players or change their transcripts: he is the perfect example because that kid never had a darned thing and never asked for anything. The NCAA came into his parents’ home in San Antonio to question him about his recruitment: Sergeant Harrison threw him out of his house!

He won a gold medal with team USA at the 1996 Olympics: what did it mean to him to represent his country, and what did it mean to him to win a gold medal? Knowing that his dad was a military guy I am sure that it had an extra impact. I knew that he would be successful so we tried to get him into the right things early by setting his schedule. I told him 1 day that he was so popular that he would be invited to speak to a lot of people so I had him take a speech class. He came to my office to have me critique his speech and then he asked me to attend the class: he was such a conscientious kid. He later invited me and my daughter to a speech he gave in California: he could not believe that he was getting paid 6 figures to speak! He is the Terminator on the outside and Bambi on the inside.

In 2000 he became the 3rd player to ever win NBA MVP, All-Star Game MVP, and Finals MVP in the same year (along with Willis Reed in 1970/Michael Jordan in 1996 and 1998): do you think that it reached a point between Jordan’s peak and Kobe Bryant’s peak where he became the best basketball player on the planet? I am reserved when it comes to picking the best from any era. I had a little guard on our best team ever (1981) named Ethan Martin: he would never be an NBA player but was an amazing floor leader. That being said, Shaq certainly goes down among the greatest centers of all time with guys like Wilt/Kareem/Walton/Russell.

He won 3 straight Finals MVP awards with the Lakers from 2000-2002 and won a 4th title with Miami in 2006: how was he able to play his best when it mattered the most? I went to Miami to watch them practice and sat down with Coach Pat Riley. He said that in the very 1st practice of the year Shaq put his arm around Dwyane Wade and said that Wade would be the star of the team. He said that if they all helped Wade out they would win a title…and they did.

Off the court he has released several rap albums, appeared in numerous films/reality shows, and is a studio analyst for TNT: how has he been able to follow his on-court success by becoming so successful off the court? Energy. He is a big old teenager in a lot of ways. Beyond that his benevolence is beyond imagination. The Lakers were playing in Indianapolis during the 2000 NBA Finals: I got a call from a woman whose son was in a coma due to a brain tumor and she asked if there was any way I could have Shaq call her son so that if he died he could at least hear from his hero 1 time. A couple of years later I was having dinner with Coach John Wooden and the same woman came up to our table: she said that Shaq came to the hospital, spent an hour with her son, and he eventually woke up. During Hurricane Katrina we had thousands of people dying and I read that he arranged for an 18-wheeler to drive to Louisiana so he could come in to deliver food/medicine. He just has a good heart, which he learned from his dad. They lived in meager circumstances when he was growing up and 1 day they passed a homeless man and his dad gave the man a bunch of sandwiches. I think that left an indelible impression on him.

In 2016 he was inducted into the Hall of Fame and he still ranks top-20 all-time in PTS/REB/BLK/FG%: when people look back on his career, how do you think that he should be remembered the most? We were playing scrimmages around the state when he was a freshman. Stanley Roberts dunked on him once and then made a hook over him. The 3rd time down the court Stanley made a jumper and I called a timeout and told him to play better 3/4 defense…and he asked me what that was! He was a good learner who came from a great family.

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TBT Preview: HoopsHD interviews former LSU player Emmitt Williams

We have been missing college basketball since March and will not be seeing any NBA basketball until July 31st at the very earliest. The good news is that we can celebrate America’s birthday on the 4th of July with some on-court fireworks courtesy of The Basketball Tournament. The TBT returns next month with a 24-team single-elimination bracket that will be played over the course of 10 days in Columbus, OH with a winner-take-all prize of $1 million. We continue our preview coverage with Emmitt Williams, who had 2 solid seasons at LSU before declaring for the NBA draft in April. He will be playing for 2018 TBT runner-up Eberlein Drive along with several other SEC alums including Johnny O’Bryant (LSU)/Tim Quarterman (LSU)/Dusty Hannahs (Arkansas). HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Emmitt about breaking a record held by LeBron James and playing for $1 million next month.

In the 2018 Jordan Brand Classic you were named MVP after scoring 44 PTS (which broke Lebron James’ previous record by 10 PTS): was it just 1 of those scenarios where every shot you put up seemed to go in because you were “in the zone”, and what was your impression of teammate Zion Williamson? I went in with an ego after not getting invited to the McDonald’s All-American Game: I felt like I had been stabbed in the back. It hurt me so I had to show them who I really was. Zion was amazing: he is a phenomenal guy off the court. I have known him since 8th grade and he is a great friend.

In the 2019 NCAA tourney as a player at LSU you scored 7 PTS and Tremont Waters drove by 3 defenders to scoop in a layup off the glass with 1.6 seconds left in a 2-PT win over Maryland: did you have a lot of family/friends in attendance in Jacksonville, and where does that rank among the most clutch shots that you have ever seen? I had a lot of family who came up for the game. Tremont worked so hard and it showed off at the end of that game. He is like my big bro and I still talk to him every day.

Last year you were top-10 in the SEC with 6.6 RPG/1.2 BPG: what is the key to being a good rebounder/defender? I felt that it was always my job to rebound/defend so I just try to go out there and do it the best that I can.

The SEC tourney was canceled on March 12th: what was your reaction when you heard about it, and what impact has the coronavirus had on you either on or off the court since then? When I heard about it I could not believe it: I heard it from a teammate and I actually thought that it was a joke. I told my dad that it did not seem real and I felt bad for all of the family members who came up to support us in Nashville.

You declared for the draft in 2019: why did you decide to return last year, and why did you decide to make the leap this year? Last year it was the best decision for me: I just wanted to test the waters and see how I fit. LSU is a great program so I wanted to come back and learn more basketball. I think that coming back last year was the best decision I have made in my life.

Your former teammates Trendon Watford/Darius Days also declared this spring: have you talked to them about their own plans, and how do you think the team is going to do next year after losing so much talent? I talk to them but I do not like to put other people’s business out there. They will always be there for me and we talk every week to keep the contact going since we are like family. I think that the Tigers will be great next year with a coach like Will Wade who has a lot of tricks up his sleeve.

Next month you will be playing for Eberlein Drive in the TBT: why did you decide to participate, and how is the team looking at the moment? It was a great opportunity for me to play with some other pros. I have not seen anyone yet but we are getting to know each other more every day via a group chat.

What will your share of the $1 million prize be if your team wins it all, and what will you do with the money? I have no clue: you cannot say that you have anything before you get it!

What would it mean to you to get drafted, and what is the plan if you do not get drafted? It would be a dream come true to get drafted, and if not then it just means that I need to work harder to get closer to where I want to be.

What is it like to be an African-American man in 2020, and are there any thoughts you would like to share about George Floyd/protests/police/etc.? It is a blessing to see the next day: tomorrow is not promised. I lost 2 of my brothers due to gun violence so it is a blessing for me just to have reached age 21. I have a son who is my legacy: he is actually the 6th generation of my family to have our name.

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The Olympians: HoopsHD interviews Leon Barmore about 1996 Olympic gold medalist Venus Lacy

The NBA Finals date back to 1947 (when they were known as the Basketball Association of America Finals) and the very 1st NCAA tourney was held in 1939. Olympic basketball competition is even older: it debuted as a demonstration event in 1904 and the men’s version became a medal sport in 1936, with the women finally getting their chance to go for the gold in 1976. The United States has dominated Olympic basketball competition from the start: the men have won 15 gold medals in the 18 tournaments they have participated in during the past 84 years, while the women have won 8 gold medals in the 10 tournaments in which they have competed during the past 44 years. Those of you who were looking forward to the 2020 Olympics opening ceremonies in Tokyo on July 24, 2020 will have to wait an extra 364 days, as the coronavirus caused a postponement until July 23, 2021. Due to the absence of college basketball since mid-March, HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel decided to fill the void by trying to interview as many prior Olympic players/coaches as possible so that you have something to read this summer while not watching the Summer Games. We continue our coverage by chatting with Hall of Fame coach Leon Barmore about his former player Venus Lacy winning an NCAA title in 1988 and a gold medal in 1996. Today marks the 24th anniversary of Venus getting selected by Seattle in the 1st round of the 1996 ABL Draft.

Venus led Brainerd High School to a state title in 1984 and then started her college career at ODU: why did she decide to transfer, and how did you get her to come to Louisiana Tech? She just had a falling-out with her coach. She reached out to us and we were happy to have her.

In the 1988 NCAA title game she scored 4 PTS in a 2-PT win over Auburn: how were you able to beat 3 #1 seeds in a row (Texas/Tennessee/Auburn), and what did it mean to her to win a title? We had to beat Texas on their home court just to reach the Final 4. We trailed Auburn by double-digits at halftime but Teresa Weatherspoon shut down Ruthie Bolton in the 2nd half. Venus did not score much but she had a presence.

On February 18, 1989, she scored 35 PTS (including a trios of threes during a 3-minute stretch, the only ones of her college career) in the 1st half of a 126-25 win over Texas Pan American: was it just 1 of those scenarios where every shot she put up seemed to go in because she was “in the zone”? No: I think that it was just a lack of height by Pan American. She dominated due to her physical strength.

Auburn got their revenge by beating you in the 1989 NCAA Final 4 and then ruining your 32-0 season in the 1990 NCAA tourney: how intense was the rivalry back in the day? For a stretch there Auburn coach Joe Ciampi had some very good players/teams. Our conference was pretty weak in 1990 so it was not a total upset but give them credit. Venus got 2 fouls in the 1st few minutes of that game and it just took us out of our rhythm.

She went 98-7 during her 3 years in Ruston and was named All-American/national POY as a senior: did it reach a point where you just expected to win every time that she stepped onto the court? No, but we had a good team. I was proudest of her because she developed some offensive moves and became a great player.

Her 20 PPG remains #1 in school history: what was her secret for being a great scorer? She is 1 of the best scorers in our school’s history, which shows her progression during her 3 years at Tech. I give her a lot of credit for sticking with it because she put a lot of effort into it.

She was cut from the 1992 Olympic team but was the last player added to the 12-woman roster for team USA at the 1996 Olympics: how pissed was she to miss out in 1992, and what did it mean to her to win a gold medal in 1996? In 1992 team USA had some players who were much more advanced at the time than she was. In 1996 they needed some size and she was chosen due to her physical ability.

She was the 1st player selected by Seattle in the 1996 ABL Draft but was seriously injured in a car accident on February 4, 1997: how bad was the accident, and what impact did it have on her pro basketball career? I know that she had some ups and downs in the pros and also played in the WNBA. I am sure that the accident was bad but she never had the pro career that I thought that she could have had.

In 2011 she was inducted into the Louisiana Tech Athletic Hall of Fame and in 2014 she was inducted into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame: where do these rank among the highlights of her career? I would think that she would rank being a national champ and winning a gold medal up there at the top, with the Hall of Fame a close 3rd.

When people look back on her career, how do you think that she should be remembered the most? Based on her domination as a senior she is definitely 1 of the best post players in school history.

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