From Moc to Hawk: HoopsHD interviews Robert Hamblin about Ron Shumate

Some of the best non-D-1 coaches ever were also able to have success after finally making it to D-1: Bo Ryan won 4 D-3 tourneys at Wisconsin–Platteville from 1991-1999 before leading Wisconsin to back-to-back Final 4s in 2014/2015, and Ben McCollum won 4 D-2 tourneys at Northwest Missouri State from 2017-2022 before leading Drake to a school-record 31 wins last season and subsequently getting hired at Iowa last March. Another coach who did some serious damage in D-2 was Ron Shumate: he made back-to-back D-2 title game appearances at Chattanooga in 1976/1977, then made 2 more D-2 title game appearances at Southeast Missouri during a 4-year span from 1986/1989. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Southeast Missouri emeritus professor Robert Hamblin (who wrote a book about Shumate’s 1992 team) about all that postseason success and what he learned while writing his book.

As coach at Chattanooga, Shumate lost the D-2 title game in 1976 by 9 PTS to Puget Sound, won the D-2 title in 1977 by 9 PTS over Randolph-Macon while being named national COY in the school’s last season before moving up to D-1, and his .695 W/L% remains #2 in school history: how did he end up at SEMO 2 years after resigning from Chattanooga? He took Chattanooga to D-1 but just could not win there after doing so, even though he was 1 of the best D-2 coaches ever. There was a question when his assistant coach was accused of illegal recruiting: the school asked Shumate to fire his assistant, but instead he refused and then decided to resign. He was a late addition to the list of SEMO coaching candidates: he was not high on their list but was so impressive in the interview that he just sold himself to the hiring committee.

I read that in addition to coaching he played the part of showman (having the Chattanooga band play “Rocky Top”, bringing spotlights to his games, etc.): did that continue at SEMO? He hit the ground running and came in with some big boasts. We had been the doormat of the conference for a while, so when he predicted great things nobody believed him…but he delivered. We did not have a Rocky Top theme but he did “talk a good game”: the reporters liked him because he gave them good quotes. Sometimes he would say things that upset the administration, but when they sent him a note he would just ignore it, which was easy to do while he was winning. He spent a decade as the “Hero of Cape Girardeau”. We used to play in Houck Field House: I saw people lined up halfway around the block to get tickets because he was so successful. There was so much controversy about building a new arena that he did not even appear in the program for the opening ceremony.

In 1986 he made the D-2 title game before losing to Sacred Heart by 6 PTS: what do you remember about that game/team? Dick Vitale did the broadcast of the title game, and I was there as well. Coach Shumate made sure his guys were in bed by 9PM while the Sacred Heart players stayed up partying until 1-2 AM. Everyone thought that we would win that game…but 1 of our best players got hurt, which really turned things around.

In 1989 he had a 1-PT OT win over UC-Riverside in the D-2 Final 4 before losing the title game to NC Central: what made him so successful in postseason play? We had a player come off the bench against Riverside who had a great game, but I did not see it in person because I was teaching in London. 1 of his idols was Bobby Knight so he spent ⅔ of his practices coaching defense. That was before the shot clock so if he had a 6-PT lead with 5 minutes left then you might as well go home. He was a master of end-game strategy who would stall it out and let his team make its FTs. He was 1 of the best teachers I ever saw, be it in the classroom or the gym. Defense wins games…and FTs win all the close games.

In 1991 the school made the leap from D-2 to D-1, and you took a sabbatical from your teaching duties to travel with the team and write a book about it called “Win or Win”: how difficult was it for him as a coach, and what is your favorite memory from that year? I debated the athletic director 4 times on campus because I did not think we should make the leap: I won all the debates…but the committee voted 17-0 to go D-1. What most fans do not know is that even as a D-2 program we got D-1 athletes who did not have the grades to qualify elsewhere. However, when we became a D-1 program we only got D-2/D-3 athletes because the best players would go to a school like Missouri. Now I presume they have to play the NIL game but I do not know how they are paying their athletes. We cannot get 5-star players so it is tough: both Shumate and the football coach told me that going D-1 would cost them their jobs…and they were right. The non-revenue sports like softball/track do okay, but there are no “minor” sports. If you cannot win at basketball/football then all the other sports will suffer: for example, we had a great swimming program that has since been canceled. 1 time he gave a Knute Rockne-type halftime speech, but most of the time he would just go to the bathroom. He let me attend most of his practices, but there was 1 where he put brown paper over the windows. Sometimes he would run his guys so hard in sprints that I thought they would all drop. It was nice to travel with the team and ride the bus: we only took an occasional flight. His assistant coach read books all the time but all that Shumate would do was talk basketball: I think he was so successful because he was so obsessive. I am glad that I wrote the book before the recruiting controversy happened. We self-reported the minor violation of NCAA rules, but the fans thought that the administration reported it to the NCAA to void his contract. He sued/lost, but that was not the story that I was telling. I think my book remains 1 of the only ones (if not the only 1) about a team that was moving from D-2 to D-1: https://roberthamblin.substack.com/p/win-or-win-a-season-with-ron-shumate?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

In 2016 he was inducted into the SEMO Athletics Hall of Fame: where does that rank among the highlights of his career? Since he left under a “cloud of scandal” we knew that he would not be inducted until the administration moved on…and once they did he was. I told the athletic director that I would like to pass out free copies of my book to the 1st 500 fans, and he said that was fine. After the women’s game and before the men’s game, Shumate signed copies of the book (which I had already signed) up on the 2nd level of the Show Me Center…and the line went all the way around the arena. He was also inducted into the Chattanooga Hall of Fame so I assume that both of them are among his career highlights.

When people look back on his career, how do you think he should be remembered the most? As a winner, of course, and a dedicated hard worker. I always thought that I worked hard as a professor…but I do not know anyone in ANY profession who worked harder at his job than Shumate did, and he got results. He is 1 of the greatest D-2 coaches ever, but I still wonder why he did not win at D-1. He was tough, but over the past few decades American athletes have been spoiled and do not always like to work hard despite making millions of dollars. We had a 3-year player named Lawrence Wilson who was a great rebounder: he got kicked off the team and we ended up losing the national title game. I later asked Shumate if he thought that he would have won if Wilson was on the team, and he said that they would not have even made the title game if Wilson was on the team: he never 2nd-guessed himself or backed down.

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The Olympians: HoopsHD interviews 1984 Olympic gold medalist Denise Curry

The NBA Finals date back to 1947 (when they were known as the Basketball Association of America Finals) and the very 1st NCAA tourney was held in 1939. Olympic basketball competition is even older: it debuted as a demonstration event in 1904, and the men’s version became a medal sport in 1936, with the women finally getting their chance to go for the gold in 1976. The United States has dominated Olympic basketball competition from the start: the men have now won 17 gold medals in the 20 tournaments they have participated in during the past 88 years, while the women have won 10 gold medals in the 12 tournaments in which they have competed during the past 48 years. While we must wait 3 years until the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles, HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel will fill the void by interviewing as many prior Olympic players/coaches as possible. We continue our coverage by chatting with Denise Curry about being 1 of the best players in UCLA history and winning a gold medal in 1984.

You were born in Montana and went to high school in California: what made you choose UCLA? We moved from Montana to Chico, CA, when I was 6 years old, and then we moved to Davis, CA, when I was 8 years old, so Davis is my hometown. Growing up there in the 1960s/1970s I heard about all the Bruins’ success under John Wooden: they had an aura about them. When they showed interest in me it became an easy decision.

In 1978 you won the AIAW National Championship: what did it mean to you to win a title as a freshman in your home gym in the 1st-ever nationally televised women’s championship game? It was 1 of the highlights of my athletic career: no doubt. We had some tough games along the way but the crowd support in the title game was fantastic. I appreciated it more as I got older, but even as a junior I realized how tough it was to win a title.

You qualified for the US Olympic team in 1980: what was your reaction when you learned that the team would not be competing due to a boycott? We knew prior to the qualification tourney in Bulgaria that there was a chance we would not attend the Games. We won the qualification tourney and were ready to go…but President Carter did not change his mind. I got to play 4 years later but many of my teammates did not get that opportunity: we were certainly disappointed at the time. I think Carter was a great man/humanitarian, but I do not know if it made a big difference on the global stage.

You were a 3-time All-American from 1979-1981 and a 1st-Team Academic All-American as a senior: how did you balance your work on the court with your work in the classroom? With a lot of support from my teammates! There was not any “hand-holding” in terms of study hall/tutors, but I knew that I wanted to become a history major and had some friends who told me what classes they thought I would enjoy. I grew up in an academic household with a lot of teachers so there was no question that I would attend college. It was not easy: when I had road trips, I had to negotiate schedule conflicts with my teachers and explain what was going on because I did not want to have to drop any classes. Our coaching staff led by Billie Moore believed that academics came 1st, and we had to take care of business.

You remain the all-time leading scorer (3198 PTS)/rebounder (1310 REB) in school history: did you realize at the time how prolific a player you were, and do you think that anyone will ever break your records? I was fortunate as a freshman to play with senior Annie Meyers, who was a great player/leader. I had a great sophomore year after she graduated, which helped me realize that I could carry a bigger load even though our opponents had game-planned for me accordingly. I knew that I could be successful at that level, and when I made the Olympic team after my junior year I knew that I was in the upper echelon. It has been a long time since I left so I do not know if anyone will break my records. You would probably need to play all 4 years on an outstanding team: I am proud of the job that Coach Cori Close and her current team has done. It is possible, but I am surprised that the records are still there. I did not play with the 3-PT line, so that could also make a difference: I hope someone breaks it.

You qualified for Team USA again in 1984: what did it mean to you to represent your country 4 years after the boycott, and what did it mean to you to win a gold medal in the city where you went to college? It was tremendous! Most of my family were able to attend, as well as some friends/teammates, so I had a lot of support. It was a proud moment and is probably the athletic highlight of my life.

You played pro basketball in Europe and won 5 national championships in 8 years: what was the biggest difference between basketball in the US vs. basketball in other countries? Back then the only opportunity there was to play professionally was overseas. Most players went to Europe/Asia, but some went to South America. I wanted to keep playing through 1984…and then just for fun I played another 6 seasons! I played in Germany/France/Italy and got paid to play the game I loved. I had decided that whenever it felt more like a job than a pleasure I would stop playing, which is why I retired in 1990.

Your #12 jersey was 1 of the 1st 4 retired by UCLA in 1990, you were inducted into the UCLA Athletics Hall of Fame in 1994, you were inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 1997, and you were inducted in the inaugural class of the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame in 1999: was it as exciting a decade as it sounds?! It was very cool! The Naismith Hall of Fame did not even start electing women until the early-1990s (Lusia Harris-Stewart/Nera White in 1992). My dad was a high school basketball coach, so I was around the sport my entire life. Instead of having someone babysit me after school when I was younger, I would attend his practices. It was about loving/playing the game, then going to my dream school, then representing my country in the Olympics. The Hall of Fame was just the cherry on top, because the opportunity was not even there when I was a player.

You had a birthday last week: what did you do for the big day? It was just a low-key day that was very nice. They are not as special when you get older, but this week I am heading to the Bay Area to meet up with friends and see a pair of Valkyries games and a Giants game.

When people look back on your career, how do you want to be remembered the most? I hope that I was a good teammate, was completely invested, and gave my all.

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Airplane Mode: HoopsHD interviews Sam Smith about Hall of Famer Chet “The Jet” Walker

Many people think the Chicago Bulls did not exist before Michael Jordan showed up in 1984, but they were formed 2 decades before that and won a Midwest Division title in 1975. That 1975 team included several future Hall of Famers such as Rick Adelman, Jerry Sloan, and Nate Thurmond. The player who scored the most PTS that season (1461) was also a future Hall of Famer: Chet Walker. He originally made a name for himself in Illinois after twice earning 1st-team consensus All-American honors at Bradley, then became a 7-time All-Star in the NBA, and won a title with the 76ers in 1967. He passed away in 2024 but HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with legendary Bulls sportswriter/New York Times bestselling author Sam Smith about Chet’s famous nickname and his incredible combination of durability/scoring ability.

His nickname was “The Jet”: who gave him the nickname, and how did he like it? That was an era of alliteration/rhyming, but he was certainly not a “jet” on the court so I am sure that he enjoyed the irony! He was a half-court kind of player and must have gotten a kick out of that, as guys like Pete Maravich/Bob Love were more open-court players. His only teammate who was less of a “jet” was Tom Boerwinkle.

Walker and his mother had originally agreed that he would attend Nebraska: how did he end up at Bradley instead? He told me that it was not as uncommon a situation during that era as it seems today: there were a lot of young Black kids who were taken advantage of back then. For example, Joe Caldwell was ready to go to UCLA…but eventually got “kidnapped” and went to Arizona State. Chet had a similar story. Fred Hoiberg’s grandfather was the coach at Nebraska and had arranged for Chet to come there, but someone else intervened, took Chet to Illinois, and got him registered at Bradley. Chet just wanted to play basketball: it was not like his life’s dream had always been to attend Nebraska. Fred has confirmed the story as well.

He is the only Bradley player to be named a 2-time All-American and his #31 was retired by the school in 1976: where does he rank among the greatest players in school history? I think that he is the greatest: Hersey Hawkins is the only other contender I can think of, but he was nowhere near the player that Chet was. Hersey scored a lot of points, but that was a result of Coach Dick Versace playing an up-tempo style. Chet elevated the entire program, and when they won the 1960 NIT it was like winning an NCAA title today. He was caught up in the collegiate betting scandal back then and was interviewed by New York County District Attorney Frank Hogan. He did nothing wrong but not everyone agreed: he thought that he was poisoned at a hotel from a meal served by a bellman!

He was drafted 12th overall by Syracuse in 1962 and was named to the NBA’s 1st All-Rookie Team in 1963: how was he able to come in and contribute right from the start? He was just a high-level player with a lot of skills. He was 6’7” and told me that Red Auerbach was interested in drafting him, but Boston decided that John Havlicek would be a better fit because they needed defense more than offense at that time. If you look at the NBA today, Chet was a Kevin Durant/Pascal Siakam-type of player. He was long/lean/athletic, which also describes the premier forward of that era: Elgin Baylor. Chet had all the moves around the basket and was able to walk right into the league and become a scorer. He could have scored even more points had he not been teamed up with Wilt Chamberlain in Philly. He was his team’s “finisher”: when they needed someone to make the final shot, it was Chet.

In 1967 he scored 19 PPG for a 76ers team that won a then-record 68 regular season games en route to winning a title: how big a deal was it for them to snap Boston’s streak of 8 straight championships? It was huge because the Celtics were the greatest dynasty in American team sports history. Wilt was the biggest name in the game but could never get over the hump until Philly got a new coach in Alex Hannum, who ran the triangle offense. Wilt had more help than he had ever had before, and he trusted those guys. Chet and Wilt became close friends: they would travel to Europe together during the summers. There were not many guys who scored 20 PPG while playing with Wilt!

He was a 66% FT shooter in college but in 1971 he led the NBA with 85.9 FT%: how crucial was his FT shooting to his success? He had a great stroke and natural ability. He probably did not shoot better in college because the defenses were focused on him and beat him up.

He graduated as the all-time leading scorer in school history, and a decade later in February of 1972 he scored a team-record 56 PTS for Chicago in a win over Cincinnati: what was his secret to being a great scorer? That 56-PT game was 1 of my favorites. He was an All-Star for several seasons with the Bulls but did not make the All-Star Game in 1972 because it was hard to get noticed with so many other great players in his conference. After he was snubbed, he decided to show everyone that he could score: the only player in Bulls’ history to score more than that was Michael Jordan! He was a soft-spoken guy who was not that outgoing but was very prideful and had the ability to play at the level of the greatest players of that era. He was so difficult to stop due to his size/moves.

He was a plaintiff in a federal antitrust lawsuit against the NBA that was settled in 1976, but after Bulls owner Arthur Wirtz told him that he would be the Bulls “property” if he chose to play again, he decided to retire: what was the reaction to his decision, and did he have any regrets? He was a proud guy and an activist for certain causes. He was involved with Martin Luther King and was close to other NBA leaders like Oscar Robertson. It was not uncommon back then for players to hold out, and before that season Norm Van Lier/Bob Love both held out. The Bulls led Golden State 3-2 in the playoffs but ended up losing the series 4-3. Dick Motta was both coach/GM and he thought that the 2 hold-outs should not receive a playoff share, so Chet was unsure about coming back due to the way Motta treated his players. Milwaukee had great interest in signing him, and he wanted to go there, but he was nobody’s “property”, so he just walked away. I think that he would have liked to play a couple more years, but he got into the entertainment industry, won an Emmy, and became friends with Muhammad Ali.

He appeared in more than 1000 games but never missed more than 6 games in any of his 13 seasons: what was the key to his durability? He was the ultimate iron man. Basketball players have such amazing physical abilities but if they got hurt back then they could get cut. Chet played 80 games almost every single season. His statistics were good, but he was overlooked by Hall of Fame voters for many years because he played with Wilt. He was 1 of the truly elite players of his era and a good shooter and reminds me of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: he could get into space and create his own shot. His size/elusiveness makes me think that he could have led the league in scoring.

He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2012 and passed away in 2024: when people look back on his career, how do you think that he should be remembered the most? He won an NBA title…but most people only remember Wilt from that team. He was 1 of the elite players of his era, an iron man, a committed player representative who stood up for his teammates. He is someone who players of the current era should recall because they are standing on the shoulders of guys like Chet/Oscar, who helped introduce free agency into the NBA. He was 1 of the great figures in the history of the game despite being overlooked. He resented the fact that the 76ers and Bulls never retired his number, probably because he divided his career between the 2 franchises and it was not popular in society back then to be an activist.

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Going for the Gold: HoopsHD interviews FIBA AmeriCup Team USA member Jerian Grant

For those of you who cannot wait to see how your favorite college basketball players do at the next level when the NBA season tips off in October, you can still see some great former college players this month at the 2025 FIBA AmeriCup. USA Basketball announced its roster last week, which includes many former college stars like Tyler Cavanaugh (2016 NIT MVP at GW), Jack Cooley (2013 1st-team All-Big East at Notre Dame), and Jahmi’us Ramsey (2020 Big 12 Freshman of the Year at Texas Tech). 1 of the players with the most NBA experience on Team USA is Jerian Grant: he spent 5 years with the Knicks/Bulls/Magic/Wizards, made the playoffs twice, and was top-15 in the league in 2018 with 7.3 assists/36 minutes. Jerian is preparing to head to Nicaragua as he tries to win a gold medal, but HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with him about choosing Notre Dame for college and the 10-year anniversary of his sensational senior season.

You went to DeMatha High School in Washington, DC: what made you choose Notre Dame? Notre Dame coach Mike Brey also went to DeMatha, and when I went on campus the connection was there right away.

As a senior you were named consensus 1st-team All-American: what did it mean to you to receive such outstanding honors? It meant everything and showed that all the hard work I put in had paid off.

Take me through the 2015 postseason:
You were named MVP of the ACC tourney: how on earth were you able to beat Duke/UNC on back-to-back nights in Greensboro?
It is 1 of my best basketball memories. Being on the list of ACC tourney MVPs (along with legends like Bob McAdoo/James Worthy/Tim Duncan) is special, and to beat 2 great schools like that was amazing.

In the Elite 8 you scored 15 PTS but missed a 3-PT shot at the buzzer in a 2-PT loss to undefeated Kentucky: how close did you come to pulling off the upset in the final game of your college career? We were 1 shot away from a historic run. We felt very confident…but the Wildcats had some special players as well.

You finished your career in the top-5 in school history in APG/SPG: what is the key to being a great PG? Taking care of the ball. Coach Brey taught us all to be smart with the ball, which made me a great PG.

You were selected 19th overall by your hometown team in the 2015 NBA Draft…and were traded to the Hawks and then the Knicks later that evening: what did it mean to you to get drafted? It was a dream come true: it is what everyone wants to do when they grow up and was a special moment in my life.

In the 2017 Eastern Conference 1st round as a player for Chicago you won the 1st 2 games in Boston to become the 1st 8-seed to ever go up 2–0 against a 1-seed in a best–of–7 series: what the heck happened after that?! They were a #1 seed and would not go away. Rajon Rondo was our starting PG so losing him to injury was tough, but I got to play some good minutes and it was a great experience.

You won the Italian league/Italian Cup in 2022, were named EuroCup MVP in 2023, won EuroLeague/Greek League titles in 2024, and won the Greek Cup in 2025: what is the key to winning championships? Having great teammates and playing the right way. Whatever league I am playing in, I will do whatever it takes for my team to win.

Your father Harvey played in the NBA, your brother Jerai has played pro basketball overseas for the past 15 years, your brother Jerami won a gold medal at the 2020 Olympics, and your uncle Horace won 4 NBA titles: who is the best athlete in the family? That is a tough 1. Jerai is very athletic…but I do not think anyone is QUITE as athletic as Jerami!

Last week you were named to Team USA’s FIBA AmeriCup roster: any predictions for Nicaragua later this month? There is only 1 goal: to win a gold medal!

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Boss Closs: HoopsHD interviews NCAA all-time leading shot-blocker Keith Closs

We have seen plenty of college shot-blocking superstars who made it to the NBA: David Robinson averaged 4.06 BPG at Navy, Hakeem Olajuwon averaged 4.54 BPG at Houston, and Shaquille O’Neal averaged 4.58 BPG at LSU. However, the all-time record of 5.87 BPG was set by Keith Closs during his 2 years at Central Connecticut State in the mid-1990s and remains the record almost 30 years later. He played 3 years with the LA Clippers and averaged 1.3 BPG despite playing fewer than 13 minutes/game. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Keith about being a spectacular shot-blocker and all the legends he faced in the NBA.

Your favorite player growing up was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: why did you like him so much, and did you ever get the chance to meet him? He was my favorite because he was just everything as a basketball player. I grew up during the Showtime Lakers era so I liked all those guys like Magic Johnson/James Worthy/etc., but I just felt a connection to Kareem. I got to meet him when I was younger when I went to some of his games: a lot of people confused me for his son Kareem Jr. because we looked similar. I remember attending an All-Star camp in 1993 with Kareem Jr.: some kids came up to me and thought that I was Kareem Jr…and when I looked over to him he had run away and left me by myself! I met Kareem Sr. during my final year with the Clippers and we got to work together a little bit. In my opinion he is the GOAT of basketball because he won at every level.

In December 1994 in the 5th game of your freshman season at Central Connecticut State you had a career-high 13 BLK in a game against St. Francis PA: how were you able to come in and dominate right from the start? Coach Mark Adams let me: he believed in my talent and I love him to death. He told me that if I truly listened to him then I would lead the nation in BLK. Almost 30 years later my freshman record of 5.3 BPG still stands.

You led the nation in BLK in both 1995/1996: is it just about being tall or is there a lot more to blocking shots? Not every tall player is a shot-blocker. It takes timing and natural ability. I did not like when my opponents scored against us, which is what drove me to block so many shots.

You still hold the D-1 record for career BLK with 5.87 BPG: did you realize at the time how prolific a shot-blocker you were, and do you think that anyone will ever break your record? I did realize it back then: if I had stuck around for 1 more year then I would have broken all the records. Records are made to be broken so I think it will get broken eventually: for example, I never thought that LeBron James would break Kareem’s NBA scoring record…but he did.

You played 3 years for the Clippers: what is your favorite memory from your time in the NBA? I do not have 1 specific favorite memory but it was great to compete against the world’s elite every single day: even at practice we would challenge each other. I blocked Michael Jordan a couple of times and got to guard him on his home court in Chicago. My little bro Kobe (RIP) had never been able to dunk on me for a long time. I remember 1 game where I took a bad angle and swiped at nothing and he just double-pumped and finished strong at the hole. We called a timeout and he was so happy: he elbowed me in the ribs and knocked the wind out of me while saying, “I told you I could do it!” I also loved working with Kareem. 1 of my AAU coaches in high school taught me how to shoot a sky hook because it would set me up down the line, and it became a part of my game. I grew up playing on the perimeter, so when I had to post up I needed a sky hook/jump hook.

At 7’3” you remain 1 of the tallest players in NBA history: what is the best part of being so tall, and what is the not-so-best part (if any)? The best part is that I get the good air! The not-so-best part is that the world is made for short people. Even flying on an airline I get charged for extra legroom, while someone who is 5’1” can kick their legs all they want. I remember 1 flight to Europe where I could not even stand up in the aisle and some 5’5” people in the exit row would not switch seats with me. It was an uncomfortable flight but I did not make a scene because it was not worth it. I also cannot walk into a store and buy anything off the rack!

You later played in the USBL/CBA/ABA/D-League/abroad: what is the biggest difference between the NBA and every other league? Other countries train their players to be versatile, so even the big men can shoot from the perimeter and run the offense. You look at a guy like Arvydas Sabonis back in the 1980s: he did a lot of his work on the outside. I remember other guys like Dino Radja/Toni Kukoc: they were 6’10” but could do anything with a basketball. In the US we had a couple of tall ball-handlers like Magic Johnson/Scottie Pippen, but after the taller European players showed what they could so on offense the Americans started to adopt it more. The biggest game-changer of all was Dirk Nowitzki because everyone wanted a 7-footer who could shoot, and today you see guys like Kristaps Porzingis and my “long-lost love child” Victor Wembanyama! I love that big men can showcase the full extent of their skills because it makes the game more enjoyable to watch.

You 1st started drinking in elementary school, had a few DUI incidents in the NBA, and allegedly drank during games: how bad did it get, and how were you able to eventually turn your life around? As a kid walking through the projects in Hartford, CT, my father was an alcoholic and would buy me an 8-ounce can of beer so it became the norm. I chased that “buzz” for a long time: as I progressed through life I would keep alcohol in my high school locker, and I was suspended in college after walking into the wrong house and being charged with 3rd-degree burglary. I thought that I was just “having fun”, but after getting sober in 2007 I realized all the emotional damage I had done to my loved ones. It got so bad that I had a bout of acute pancreatitis and spent a couple of days in the hospital on life support.

You now live in Costa Rica and host a skills academy: how do the skill sets of players in Costa Rica compare to those of kids in the US? It is not the same: the coaching/dedication/training/development is not on the same level. Costa Rica is a soccer country so it will take some time for basketball to make a comeback, perhaps during the next 5-10 years. We have a basketball program called the Keith Closs Skills Academy for kids ages 7–17, and people can follow us on Instagram at: @keithclossskillsacademy. We also aim to give opportunities to talented kids who do not have the resources, such as helping them secure scholarships, giving them equipment/balls, etc. We do a lot of charity work by visiting rehab centers, marginalized areas, and youth communities around the country. I give motivational speeches and hold basketball clinics to inspire them. Lastly, we have a foundation in progress that will help the youth of Costa Rica in many ways. Our mission is to guide youth toward sports and away from addictions or bad choices in general. Players can only go as far as their coach will take them, so I want to bring international coaches here for clinics to educate the local coaches on Xs and Os. There is so much potential here: people will tell me to come see a kid who is “so amazing”…but then I show up and see that they cannot dribble with their off hand or finish at the rim. I am trying to teach them how to switch into another mode and have the discipline to be hungry and go for it. You need to figure out what you cannot do well and then correct it. I tell them to not just wait to train with me: go to a park and play 2-on-2 or 5-on-5 and work on your game there.

When people look back on your career, how do you want to be remembered the most? As a solid defender…or the world’s greatest shot-blocker! If I had more opportunities in the NBA then I would have led the league in blocks. As far as a life legacy, I fell but got back up, and I took the lessons I learned to help other people. I am almost 50 and there are still plenty of people who want to use my past against me, but I just want to help kids/adults avoid the same pitfalls. Our experiences are not just our own: we go through them so that we can help someone else down the line get through their own situation and empower them to change their own lives. Look at all the things I have been able to accomplish as a direct result of getting back on track: I am resilient and cannot allow myself to stay down or disappoint myself.

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Olliver’s Twist: HoopsHD interviews Lamar legend Mike Olliver

Coach Billy Tubbs is remembered primarily for his success at Oklahoma in the 1980s (4 conference titles and a trip to the Final 4 during a fantastic 5-year stretch from 1984-1988) but his 1st D-1 coaching job was at Lamar in the late-1970s where he made back-to-back NCAA tourneys. The Cardinals had a trio of stars in Mike Olliver/BB Davis/Clarence Kea, but it was Olliver whose scoring was most spectacular. He was a 3-time 1st-team All-Conference pick, and as a senior in 1981 he was named conference POY/conference tourney MVP. His 2518 points career PTS remains the most in school history as well as top-80 in D-1 history. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Mike about how he succeeded on the court and overcame obstacles off it.

You were born in Texas and went to high school in North Carolina: what made you choose Lamar? I was playing ball in this hotbed of North Carolina, with UNC and NC State just up the road, and before Duke really became DUKE…but nobody recruited me even though I was 1 of the top guards in the state. I went out to Lamar, met Coach Billy Tubbs, and it just felt like the best place for me.

What made Tubbs such a great coach, and what was the most important thing that you ever learned from him? Confidence. He was so flamboyant and determined to win and got the best out of all his players. I loved being around that atmosphere.

In January of 1980 you set a school record with 50 PTS/22-35 FG in a win at Portland State thanks to a half-court shot with 1 second left on the clock: was it just 1 of those scenarios where every shot you put up seemed to go in because you were “in the zone”? Yes, but it did not start out that way. I had 15 PTS at halftime and Coach Tubbs told me that he needed me to go ahead and break the school record that night! He told me to not pass at all and just shoot the ball every time I got it. I was stunned, but I could do that, and it was an incredible night. Once my teammates saw what was going on they just kept cheering me on. I knew that I had 48 PTS at the end of the game so I just let it go at the end and it hit nothing but bottom!

You made 3 straight NCAA tourneys from 1979-1981 and won at least 1 game in each of them: what is your favorite memory from “March Madness”? We were a mid-major team so not only did we have to win our conference but then had to go ahead and win the conference tourney. At the end of my sophomore year we played Magic Johnson and Michigan State: that was the year they won the national championship. They beat us badly and I had a poor game (8 PTS/3-15 FG) so it taught me to always be prepared to win the next game because you never know if you will get back there. I drilled myself that if we ever got back I would have a sensational game…and in 1980 I scored 37 PTS in a 1-PT win over Weber State in Ogden, UT. We went all the way to the Sweet 16 before losing to Clemson but it was a great run with a great group of guys.

You remain the all-time leading scorer in school history with 2518 PTS and are #2 with 206 career STL: what is the secret to being a great scorer? The secret for me was that I needed to be unselfish. Even if you are getting up the bulk of the shots, if your teammates are open you have to get them the ball. It was also about hard work: I was a gym rat who loved practice, and the process of winning has intrigued me since I was a kid. I was a great shooter on the level of Stephen Curry and am still in the D-1 top-80 all-time, but there was no 3-PT shot when I played. I do not begrudge the guys from the era after me…but I wish there was an asterisk for them because I would have made SEVERAL threes/game if we had a 3-PT line back then.

You were a 4-time all-conference performer, 1981 conference POY/conference tourney MVP, and were later named to the conference 1980’s All-Decade team: what did it mean to you to receive such outstanding honors? To be honest, the older I get the more it means to me. I have grandchildren now at age 66 so I sit back and wonder how I got it done. I am honored to have played for Coach Tubbs: we were all locked in on trying to win despite being a mid-major. Coach Tubbs was the greatest: he would tell me that I was the greatest shooter in the country so that even if I was going 1-on-4 I should pull up and take it! He allowed me to express myself as a ballplayer, which was fantastic.

You were selected in the 2nd round of the 1981 NBA draft by Chicago: did you see that as a validation of your college career, or the realization of a lifelong dream of reaching the NBA, or other? Both: it showed that my hard work paid off and was 1 of the greatest experiences of my life. I went into camp that summer and enjoyed the payoff. I come from a small town and tell kids today that I was able to make it to the best basketball league in the world: they can do it too, but it takes work.

You later played in the CBA: what was the biggest difference between college basketball and pro basketball? Opportunity. Timing in life is important: when you are in the right place then good things will happen. It felt similar to college: you just had to learn the nuances of what it took to make the team.

In 2008 you were sentenced to 16 years in prison for stabbing your ex-girlfriend: how have you been able to turn things around since becoming a free man? It is important that people understand that a bad decision does not have to define your life. Since getting out I started a non-profit to help the community and installed some state-of-the-art basketball goals on courts for kids. It is like basketball: you get knocked down and then have to get back up. Just because you make a mistake or are doing bad, you still have to believe in yourself and understand that God had a plan for your life. I work a lot on recidivism to help men/women better themselves no matter where they are in life.

When people look back on your career, how do you want to be remembered the most? As a winner, a great leader of men, and a guy who would do whatever it took for us to achieve our goal of winning a championship.

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