Happy Tourney-versary!: HoopsHD interviews Mel Nowell about his teammate Bobby Knight

With the 2020 NCAA tourney tipping off next month, we will spend this month taking a walk down memory lane with a choice collection of players/coaches who are celebrating an awesome anniversary this year. From some game-winning FTs in the 1955 tourney (65th anniversary) through a 17-PT comeback win in the 2015 1st 4 (5th anniversary), these legends have all carved out a little piece of history in past Marches. We continue our series with Bobby Knight, who won championships at every stage of his career: the 1960 NCAA title as a player at Ohio State, 3 NCAA titles in a 12-year span as head coach at Indiana, and an Olympic gold medal as head coach of team USA in 1984. The 8-time Big 10 COY was inducted into the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame in 1991 and the College Basketball Hall of Fame in 2006. HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel got to chat with Mel Nowell (1 of Bobby’s teammates on the 1960 title team) about the 60th anniversary of becoming the only basketball team to win a national title in Ohio State history and his teammate’s path to becoming the winningest coach in D-1 history until he was passed by 1 of his former players.

You and Bobby played for Hall of Fame coach Fred Taylor at Ohio State and had a pair of future Hall of Fame teammates in John Havlicek/Jerry Lucas: what is the most important thing you ever learned from Coach Taylor, and could you tell at the time that Knight would end up becoming a coach himself? Fred had his priorities intact right from the beginning. He taught us that school came 1st and wanted us to stay eligible while doing the best we could. Basketball was also a crucial part of why we were there, and everything else came in 3rd. He was extremely well-organized in his practices and we had a fantastic conditioning program: I never recall any of us asking to be taken out of a game due to getting tired. We would run after practice and push ourselves to be in the front of the pack. Any time we needed to make a strategic change during the game it was easy because he had always prepared us for that during practice. I learned quickly after meeting Bobby that he was very intelligent: he was able to relax off the court and could easily take care of his homework and get A’s and B’s. He worked really hard in practice…to the point that some of our seniors asked Coach Taylor to tell Bobby to relax a bit!

In the magical 1960 NCAA tourney you had 4 straight wins of 15+ PTS en route to beating Cal in the title game: what did it mean to you to win a title? We beat a good Detroit team during the season and were all pleasantly tickled as we kept winning, but we did not know what would happen in the tourney after we lost at Indiana in the regular season. It felt great to win our semifinal and then watch Oscar Robertson and Cincinnati battle Cal to see who we would end up playing in the final. We started off with confident scoring and good defense due to our game plan: I backed off of the guard I was assigned to in order to help defend All-American Darrall Imhoff. Imhoff allegedly told his coach (Hall of Famer Pete Newell) at halftime that the reason he had so few rebounds is because our team had not missed many shots. It was the 1st time I knew what elation felt like: I was so overjoyed that I accidentally kicked 1 of my teammates in the chest!

In the 1973 NCAA Final 4 as head coach at Indiana, Bobby lost to 6-time defending champion UCLA: where does Bill Walton (who nearly had a triple-double with 14 PTS/17 REB/9 AST) rank among the greatest players that you have ever seen? After watching Kareem Abdul-Jabbar do his thing for 3 years I did not think it could get any better than that, but Coach John Wooden got someone in Bill who was just as big and just as good. I was amazed at how talented Bill was but did not realize until later reading Wooden’s book that it would be hard to keep them motivated because they were so great. Wooden’s fear of his players becoming overconfident proved true, as they did not win their 3rd straight NCAA title in 1974.

Take me through the 1975 NCAA tourney:
He was undefeated entering the tourney despite leading scorer Scott May breaking his arm in a win over Purdue that February: do you think that he would have won the title that year if May was healthy? I definitely think they would have won it if Scott was healthy: he was a very important part of their team. It reminded me of when Jerry Lucas got hurt in the 1962 NCAA tourney and tried to play even though he was not close to 100%.

Kent Benson had 33 PTS/23 REB in a 2-PT loss to eventual national runner-up Kentucky (which some have called 1 of the 10 best tourney games ever): how close did the Hoosiers come to winning the game? That was an example of Bobby’s great coaching when he helped turn Benson into such a productive player.

In the 1976 NCAA tourney title game after Bobby Wilkerson had to be rushed to the hospital in the 1st half, tourney MOP May scored 26 PTS to beat Michigan and clinch the title: how hard is it to beat a team 3 times in 1 season, and do you think that we will ever see another team go undefeated? It is extremely hard to win 3 in a row because the team that loses the 1st 2 has even more motivation. That was 1 of the few tourney games I remember going to in person. We saw a few years ago that Kentucky was almost able to go undefeated, but I do not think that it will ever happen again because there is too much talent throughout the sport.

In the 1979 Pan American Games in Puerto Rico as coach of team USA his team went 9-0 and won a gold medal while averaging more than 100 PPG: how on earth did he get ejected from the opening game (a 48-PT win over the Virgin Islands)? He is devoted to having his team excel: when the refs make an occasional mistake it was tough for him to not be intense even if he had a large lead. It would get to him at times and sometimes he would lose control of his emotions. You do not accomplish everything that he did without having a strong inner drive, and if he could intimidate the officials and get away with it in order to have some discretionary calls go his way then I think he would do it.

Take me through the magical 1981 NCAA tourney:
The title game was delayed following the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan: did he feel that the game should have been delayed? I do not know how he felt but you do not want the normal momentum of postseason play to stop. That being said, he has a lot of respect for our country, which caused him to feel torn.

Tourney MOP Isiah Thomas had 23 PTS/4 STL to beat North Carolina and win the title: did he feel that the Spectrum had become his lucky arena (after winning his 2nd title there in a 5-year span)? In my opinion I would not put it past Bobby to like a special place such as the Spectrum. I recall having a fond affection for a specific venue based on my own experience at the Cow Palace in San Francisco, where we won the title in 1960. When I became an NBA rookie with the Chicago Zephyrs we had a regular season road game against the San Francisco Warriors that had to be moved to the Cow Palace due to a scheduling conflict with their normal home court. I got into the game and scored a career-high 25 PTS that helped us make a comeback en route to an 8-PT win. It was the 1st time that we had beaten the Warriors since they were led by Wilt Chamberlain (who scored 37 PTS) so I definitely felt some good vibes from being on a court where I had previously had success.

At the 1984 Olympics he led team USA to an 8-0 record en route to winning the gold medal: was that the most talented team that he ever coached (Steve Alford/Patrick Ewing/Michael Jordan/Chris Mullin)? I know that he recognized talent and it was a great opportunity to put already-molded players in the right place to be successful. I am sure that he felt really good about it because not many people get the chance to work with that kind of talent.

In the 1987 NCAA tourney title game, tourney MOP Keith Smart scored 21 PTS/9-15 FG inclduing a 16-foot shot with 4 seconds left in a 1-PT win over Syracuse to clinch his 3rd title in just over a decade: where does that shot rank among the best in Hoosiers history? I remember watching it when it happened and it was not an easy shot: most players do not practice that shot because usually you have to deke someone to hit a pull-up shot. It was a fantastic shot and must be 1 of the most important shots for Indiana ever.

His 902 wins were the most in D-1 men’s history until Coach Mike Krzyzewski passed him in 2011: what made Knight such a great coach, and how proud is he of his former Army player? To win more games than anyone else is a statement unto itself and something to be extremely proud of. I think that having another winner like Mike Krzyzewski who he coached and molded made Bobby extremely proud.

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Under The Radar Game of the Day: Tuesday, February 4th

Ball State (12-9, 5-3) at Kent State (16-6, 6-3) – 7:00 PM EST (ESPN+)

Tonight’s UTR Game of the Day takes us to Kent, Ohio where the Golden Flashes of Kent State will play host to the Ball State Cardinals. Ball State has become a homecourt hero in conference play with home wins against Toledo, Buffalo, Miami and Ohio. However, they are only 1-3 on the road in league play – their lone win was at Eastern Michigan. Tahjai Teague is averaging 15.4 points a game and 9.0 rebounds a game.

Kent State is coming off of a win against Akron in the Wagon Wheel Rivalry (where the schools are eight miles apart and have never met in the NCAA Tournament); Philip Whittington hit a shot with 20 seconds remaining in the game to give the Golden Flashes the 68-67 victory. Kent State also has a pair of three-game winning streaks sandwiched around a three-game losing streak in MAC play. Besides Akron, their current winning streak also includes critical road wins at Buffalo and at Toledo.

Our sources tell us that our colleague Rocco Miller will be in attendance tonight – tune in to Bracketeer.org for game coverage and his current NCAA Tournament projections.

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The Hoops HD Report: February 3rd

Tonight we begin in the ACC where Duke, Florida State, and Louisville continue to look like top ten teams, and Syracuse and Virginia are trying to climb their way into the tournament.  We also look ahead to Duke v North Carolina this Saturday, and break out our brand new Hoops HD Rivalry Checker!

We look at the Big 12 and how Kansas and Baylor continue to look strong, and how Oklahoma is struggling.  Arizona got some big road wins over the weekend which gives their resume a boost.  The Big Ten continues to look very strong, but the lack of road wins for everyone in the conference could be an issue come Selection Sunday.  San Diego State beat Utah State over the weekend and now has a clear shot at finishing undefeated, and Gonzaga continues to win despite the injuries.  All that, and more.

And for all you radio lovers, below is an audio only version of the show…

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Hoops HD Staff Bracket Projections: David Griggs, Puppet Genius

I want to start by making sure everyone knows what they are looking at.  I am NOT trying to guess what the actual selection committee will do on Selection Sunday, nor am I trying to suppose what the selection committee would do if the season ended today.  For the sake of this exercise, I don’t give a damn about the selection committee.  Furthermore, I know I’ve done some things that they are very unlikely to do.  So, if you tweet at me about how I’m an idiot and make some reference to the selection committee, I’m going to tweet back at you that you’re an idiot who does not take time to read.

I must say that this bracket is a work of excellence.  Everything I do is excellent, and nothing I do should ever be questions or debated.  Yet, there are some members of the Hoops HD Staff that are going to do just that.  I have some notes below the bracket, and below that will be some comments from the staff.  If they disagree with anything that I’ve done, then they are wrong!!

OTHERS CONSIDERED: Tulsa, NC State, Providence, SMU, Memphis, Utah State, Cincinnati, Alabama, Minnesota, Georgetown, Xavier, Arizona State, Purdue, VCU

NOTES ON THE BRACKET FROM DAVID

-So the rules for this are that it is entirely to our discretion to build these brackets the way we want, and then the criticism is allowed to fly.  Last year at about this time I selected a division 2 team for my bracket because I didn’t like any of the teams on the bubble.  Today, I am once again abusing my executive privilege and have selected Merrimack as my Northeast Conference champion!!  Merrimack is not eligible for the automatic bid, but I think I may have found a loop hole!!  A conference awards its automatic bid to the conference champion.  That means it should go to the first place team, unless the first place team loses in the conference tournament.  Since Merrimack will not lose in the conference tournament, they should get the bid!!  I plan on taking this case all the way to the top of the NCAA if I have to!!

-Anyway, on a more serious note, I do believe that the real committee would give a #1 seed to San Diego State.  I actually don’t have a problem with that, but I still have them on my #2 line.  I just can’t put them ahead of a team like Duke that has multiple wins away from home against protected seeds whereas San Diego State doesn’t have any.  It’s also worth pointing out that a #2 seed probably serves them better because unless the committee ranks them higher than Gonzaga they may bet sent all the way to the East Region in New York.  So…maybe I’m actually doing them a favor by not putting them on the #1 line.

-I’m starting to slide teams down that lack true road wins, most notably Rutgers.  They are just 1-6 in true road games and I think they need at least one or two more in order to have any sort of a case of belonging in the top half of the bracket.

-East Tennessee State and Northern Iowa are both inside the bubble.  Here is something else that may not be obvious, but so is New Mexico State.  That last selection may be surprising and I’m almost certain it is something the committee will not do.  Here is my argument for it.  When they are at full strength, they are unbeaten.  Not only that, but with a full strength roster, I think they would beat all four of my First Four teams on a neutral floor.  I know it’s not fair to factor in last season, but a 29 win team that nearly beat a Final Four team (Auburn) in the Round of 64 who returns basically all of their top players and who is unbeaten when they are healthy is NOT a team that a #4 or a #3 seed wants to see in the Round of 64.  I did it partially because I think they deserve at least a #12, but also because I don’t want to screw over a protected seed.  That really wouldn’t be protecting them, would it?

I don’t think the committee will like East Tennessee State or Northern Iowa as much as I do either, but they do have some nice quad 1 wins, and I am personally more impressed with teams from outside the power conferences who get quad 1 wins despite having limited opportunities than I am with teams who play half their schedule against Top 50 NET teams, and lose the vast majority of them, but pick up a couple.  To me that’s more reflective of having more chances than it is of them being better.  I mean…a baseball player who goes 4-for-19 isn’t necessary better than someone else who goes 3-for-9, so the fact that other teams who I’ve either left out or have seeded below them have more wins is not necessarily because they’re better.

STAFF COMMENTS

COMMENTS FROM CHAD

– I think Duke is a good team.  A very good team.  But they do not deserve a #1 seed, and in fact are not the best, and arguably not even the second best, team in their conference.  If you are going to drop San Diego State to the 2 line (which I would not), Florida State simply is a better team with a better profile.  Duke has two losses to teams that will not make the field and David is putting them on the #1 line based on a pair of games played before December 6 (wins over Kansas and Michigan State).  I think it is a bad pick and fully think he should be blasted as an idiot all over Twitter for choosing the Blue Devils.

–   Maryland should be a protected seed.  Despite what David thinks, this team is now 5-4 away from home, including a win at Indiana and a neutral court win over Marquette.  Their four losses are all against very good teams.  The Terps are way under-seeded on the 5 line and could probably be two lines higher.

– I have no idea what Saint Mary’s is doing on the 8 line.  The Gaels beat BYU at home, Wisconsin on a neutral court and Arizona State on the road.  While that is solid, it is also barely enough to make up for losses to Pacific, Winthrop and Santa Clara.  I would have the Gaels in the field, but barely above the First Four, if not headed to Dayton.

– Even worse, Syracuse is on the 9 line.  The Orange were one of the hottest teams in the nation a week ago, and had, in my opinion, barely played their way into the field.  They lost twice last week, and while the home loss to Duke is excusable, the loss at Clemson is not.  This team is 13-9 with a 66 NET in a weak ACC.  Syracuse is an NIT team right now.  They do NOT belong in the field today.

– Va Tech vs Texas in Dayton must be a joke, because neither team is close in my opinion.  Va Tech is falling apart faster than a LEGO set dropped from a 10th story window and Texas has beaten..well…nobody.  Memphis, Arizona State, Georgetown, Purdue, Minnesota and Xavier are all better teams than either of these.  I could make a strong case for any of those 6.  I cannot make one for the Hokies, the Longhorns or (as set forth above) the Orange.

– All in all, I would like to say that David did a good job, but quite frankly, he didn’t.  He is clearly in love with Duke in a manner that may not be healthy, didn’t bother looking at the profiles for teams like St Mary’s, Syracuse, Va Tech and Texas, and I would honestly recommend that no one in the world give any credit whatsoever to this pathetic excuse for a bracket.  At least he didn’t put an ineligible team in….oh wait…never mind. *sighs*

COMMENTS FROM JOHN:

– We’re going to have this conversation ad nauseam about San Diego State – while they’re not going to have nearly the good wins that Duke has, they’re not going to have bad losses on their profile, either. As Chad noted, while Duke played with their food against SFA at home and Clemson on the road, the Aztecs didn’t mess around when road trips to teams like Utah State and New Mexico (comparable teams) came calling. In fact, thanks to a true road win at BYU and wins against Creighton and Iowa that are looking much better by the day, I’d even argue that San Diego State should be ranked ABOVE Gonzaga this week.

– While I applaud the Puppet for putting Creighton into the land of protected seeds, I would ask him why he’s only punishing Butler (who does have a starter injured at the moment) and not Villanova this week. I could defend the Puppet for choosing Penn State over Maryland for a protected seed if he simply looked at their head-to-head matchup, although a case could be made for the Terps to be a 4 (but not a 3, Chad).

– I do need an explanation on why Texas Tech should be a 7 this week, though. If the justification is that they have a neutral-court victory against Louisville, I suddenly need to ask why a team like Xavier is not in his field this week. The Musketeers finally got a much-needed signature win at Seton Hall (along with a win at TCU that is still Quad 1B) and has a rockier record thanks to a tougher schedule compared to the Red Raiders. (Note: I do think the Red Raiders should be in the field, but a 9 or 10 is where they belong right now.)

– When I built my own seed list yesterday, there was a huge dropoff (or so it seemed) from the first 36 teams down to the final 2 lines. I would argue that Virginia and Rutgers (even with only one victory away from home) are above that cut line. I knew that I spooked the Puppet by mentioning Syracuse and their road wins a couple of weeks ago, but I didn’t think I’d scare him straight to the point that he would have the Orange safely in the field. They would be my first team out of the field, and I would have Texas as my seventh team out (with Stanford, Arizona State, Memphis and NC State as my last four teams in).

– I do have to salute the Puppet for putting the Ocean State runner-up (Rhode Island) in the field this week. While their loss to Brown in the Ocean State championship does anchor down their resume, wins against Alabama and a sweep of VCU help to negate that and put them above the other Rams in the pecking order for a potential second bid out of the A-10. They could really use at least one win against Dayton for an even better signature win come March.

– I am cheering wholeheartedly for Merrimack to win the NEC regular season in their first season of Division 1 play, if only to hear ridiculous justifications from the NCAA and the NEC as to why they should not be allowed to potentially be able to participate in the NCAA Tournament. We have mentioned previously on our podcasts and Twitter that the College of Charleston actually participated in the 1994 NCAA Tournament while they were only in their third D1 season, but that was because of a loophole at the time that allowed them to transition quicker since they jumped up from NAIA up to NCAA D1. And also note that they were an at-large selection out of the TAAC (now A-Sun) that season; the autobid TAAC that year was Central Florida as a 16 seed.

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Under The Radar Game of the Day: Monday, February 3rd (and Other News, Notes, and Games)

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Norfolk State (10-12, 6-1) at North Carolina Central (9-12, 5-2) – 7:00 PM EST (ESPNU)

Tonight’s UTR Game of the Day takes us to the hotbed of Durham, North Carolina for a matchup between the hometown North Carolina Central Eagles and the Norfolk State Spartans who are only eight miles apart. NC Central beat Norfolk State last year in the MEAC Championship game to win the auto bid to the NCAA Tournament. The Eagles are also completing a three-game homestand tonight that already includes wins against Delaware State and South Carolina State. Jibri Blound leads NCCU with 19.6 points a game and 9.1 rebounds a game.

Norfolk State got off to a perfect 6-0 start in league play, although they are coming off of a 74-68 loss at North Carolina A&T back on Saturday. There is a little more added urgency to this current road trip since Norfolk State does not have return games against either the Eagles or the Aggies scheduled for the regular season. Jermaine Bishop leads the Spartans with 14.0 points a game.

 

OTHER NEWS, NOTES, AND GAMES

-Iowa picked up another nice win against a really strong Illinois team yesterday.  The Big Ten continues to be a gauntlet for teams when they go on the road.

-UCLA didn’t have any trouble with Utah yesterday.  The Bruins have put together a nice little stretch where they’ve won four out of five.  It’s most likely too late for them to land inside the bubble, but they are playing a lot better now than they were early on and may be a headache for Pac 12 teams the rest of the way.

-NORTH CAROLINA AT FLORIDA STATE (ACC).  Florida State continues to play like a protected seed and should end up there if they can continue to hold serve.  North Carolina should be getting better now that Cole Anthony is back, but they did lose to Boston College over the weekend so they’re still not all the way back yet.

-BAYLOR AT KANSAS STATE (Big 12).  Baylor should be able to pick up another road win and remain solidly in the hunt for a #1 seed.

-TEXAS AT KANSAS (Big 12).  Texas is squarely on the bubble.  Obviously this would boost them inside of it if they’re able to pick up the win, but that’s easier said than done given how rarely Kansas loses at home.  Kansas is also squarely in the hunt for a #1 seed and will remain there if they hold serve tonight.

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Bracketology 2020: March Madness Predictions (Version 5.0)

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We are only 6 weeks away from Selection Sunday as we continue to make our NCAA tourney predictions. Last March HoopsHD’s Jon Teitel correctly picked 67 of the 68 teams that made the tourney, 63 of which were within 1 spot of their actual seed, including 45 right on the money. He will spend the upcoming months predicting which 68 teams will hear their names called on March 15th. See below for his list of who would make the cut if they picked the field today and if you agree or disagree then feel free to tweet us. To see how we stack up with other websites (ranked 7th out of 133 entries over the past 5 years), check out: www.bracketmatrix.com

SEED: TEAM (CONFERENCE)
1: Kansas (Big 12)
1: Baylor (Big 12)
1: Gonzaga (WCC)
1: San Diego State (MWC)

2: Duke (ACC)
2: Seton Hall (Big East)
2: Dayton (A-10)
2: West Virginia (Big 12)

3: Louisville (ACC)
3: Michigan State (Big 10)
3: Florida State (ACC)
3: Villanova (Big East)

4: Oregon (Pac-12)
4: Maryland (Big 10)
4: Butler (Big East)
4: Kentucky (SEC)

5: Auburn (SEC)
5: Iowa (Big 10)
5: LSU (SEC)
5: Colorado (Pac-12)

6: Penn State (Big 10)
6: Creighton (Big East)
6: Arizona (Pac-12)
6: Illinois (Big 10)

7: Marquette (Big East)
7: Rutgers (Big East)
7: Houston (AAC)
7: Wichita State (AAC)

8: Ohio State (Big 10)
8: USC (Pac-12)
8: Wisconsin (Big 10)
8: Arkansas (SEC)

9: Indiana (Big 10)
9: St. Mary’s (WCC)
9: Michigan (Big 10)
9: Stanford (Pac-12)

10: Texas Tech (Big 12)
10: BYU (WCC)
10: Florida (SEC)
10: Oklahoma (Big 12)

11: Memphis (AAC)
11: VCU (A-10)
11: Rhode Island (A-10)
11: Minnesota (Big 10)
11: Virginia (ACC)
11: Purdue (Big 10)

12: Northern Iowa (MVC)
12: East Tennessee State (SoCon)
12: Yale (Ivy)
12: Liberty (Atlantic Sun)

13: Akron (MAC)
13: Stephen F. Austin (Southland)
13: North Texas (C-USA)
13: Vermont (America East)

14: New Mexico State (WAC)
14: Wright State (Horizon)
14: Colgate (Patriot)
14: William & Mary (CAA)

15: Murray State (OVC)
15: Winthrop (Big South)
15: AR-Little Rock (Sun Belt)
15: UC Irvine (Big West)

16: South Dakota State (Summit)
16: Montana (Big Sky)
16: Norfolk State (MEAC)
16: Monmouth (MAAC)
16: Prairie View (SWAC)
16: Robert Morris (NEC)

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